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[Ronnie Rowland]

Everyone I am very busy prepping people for shows so please bare with me!

[slimshady01]

Hey Ronnie.,

Im currently on week 5 of deca test and im running HCG every mon and thursday at 250iu. "500 a week"

I got the 5000iu kits that i make that would last 10 weeks at that dose.

My question is i hear this stuff is only good for 30-40 days. Will i be ok or do i need to dump what i got after 40 days and make fresh?

I used Bacteriostatic water to mix.
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[Tay-boe]

Can you change compounds like.... Running test and tren for 8 weeks then 2 week deload of just test and then run test and decca. And would I have to run more test on the second reload?

[kelevra]

Hey Ronnie
a few pages back you recomended 40MGS of clen for breathing issues. Is that right or did you mean 40mcgs? I've never used clen so just getting the clear. And when is it best used?
thnx

[Lecent83]

Test E: 8wk 500mg/wk

Front load first shot at 3.75 ml (937.5mg)

frontload first week (double each injection that week to 2 ml rather than 1ml)

or

Run Dbol for the first 4 weeks?

[ridedivefx]

Hi Ronnie,

Background: I was planning to bulk throughout 20 week blast. Currently on 2nd reload 4th week of 1.5g of test E/week and 50mg of proviron /week. Dropped EQ after 1st reload.

I seem to have packed a lot of fat, strength and weight is definitely up. Was initially planning to cut in August (Fasting month) while cruising at 250mg test for 4 weeks. But I seem to be panicking with my current state. My arms chest and shoulders are lean but my abs have vanished, Just the top 2 and hint of 3/4 visible, 5/6 are gone totally with IMO considerable fat that I can pinch.

Should I stop to panic and continue to bulk till end of deload (End of July) and start of Fasting month to cut?

Can i start to cut now till the end of fasting month (End of August) - this wud be total of 12 weeks of cut with last 4 weeks of fasting month ?

I wud use clen during cut and morning aerobics with evening weight lifting

Thanks as always

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie, thanks for the response.
I have a question about the 12 sets per body part. For back, are you splitting it into two parts, thickness and width and saying 12 sets per part for the week? The back is different than other muscle groups due to overlapping between rows/pulldowns which do work both back width and thickness to some degree. Around 14 sets total for the week is good for lats but you could do more sets but I find it uneccesary Or total 12 sets total for the entire back for the week? you can do more but i would do much more!Also, for a first time user of STS, would you recommend sticking to training each muscle once per week? YES! I was thinking of going with twice per week on a 3 days on 1 day off and was wondering if there is any reason why I shouldn't. I would do 3 days on 2 days off at the most. Your plan looks like over-training too me! During my blast, as an ectomorph on AAS, can I stick to 3P/C and 3P/F meals only and gradually increase caloric intake and protein and still avoid fat gain?EVERYONE GAINS FAT AT A DIFFERENT RATE SO ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY BUT IF YOU ARE ECTO YOU'LL NEED TO MIX CARBS AND FATS IN AT LEAST 3 MEALS PER DAY TO GAIN WEIGHT. GENETICS HAS A LOT MORE TO DO WITH THIS THAN MACRONUTRIENT RATIOS!. Or would you recommend looking at carb cycling? SOMETIMES BOTH CAB CYCLING AND SEPARATING CARBS/FATS IS THE WAY TO GO BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO SAY WITHOUT WORKING WITH YOU ONE-ON-ONE.
Here is my potential w/o plan for my Reload
Please criticize

Day1 - Chest/Back/Traps I
1) Decline BB Chest Press - x5
Flat DB Flies - x5
then add inclines x 3
3) Deadlifts - x4
4) Hammer Strength Pull Down (lats)- x4
5) Seated DB Shrugs - x5

Day 2 - Shoulders/Tri/Bi I
1) Sitdown BB Shoulder Press - x5
2) Dips for triceps - x4
3) Incline DB Curls - x3
4) Preacher Curls - x3

Day 3 - Legs/Abs I
1) Squats - x4
2) Straight Legged Deads - x4
3) Lying Leg Curl - x4
4) Standing Calf Raises - x4
5) Weighted Ab Crunches - x5

Day 4 - Rest

Day 5 - Chest/Back/Traps II
1) Incline DB Chest - x5
2) Incline DB Rows - x4
3) Wide Grip Lat Pull Downs - x4
4) Hammer Strength Row - x4
5) In front BB Shrug - x5

Day 6 - Shoulder/Tri/Bi II
1) Arnold DB Presses - x4
2) Reverse Flies on Incline Bench - x3
3) Incline EZ curl Extensions - x3
4) Tri Pull Down - x3
5) BB Curls - x4

Day 7 - Legs/Abs II
1) BB Lunges - x4
2) Sitting leg extensions - x4
3) Seated leg curls - x4
4) Sitting calf raises - x4
5) Decline bench reverse crunches - x5

Day 8 - Rest
Also, I was wondering if you have a sample menu for a reload handy? I noticed that part of your post was under construction! Not right now. sorry..So much great information thanks Ronnie!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

is it true that...tren causes muscle breakdown???

Testosterone increases the rate of protein synthesis while trenbolone decrease new protein synthesis. However, Tren decreases both protein synthesis and degradation, reducing protein turnover and it decreases degradation more so-hence an increase in muscle mass. Some steroids like test work by increasing anabolism while tren builds muscle size by decreasing catabolism!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=The Titan99;5651897]Hey Ron, my next reload will be a long, slow cut through October. I'm doing 1.5 g of sust/700 mg Tren E/60 mg Var/100 mg Proviron ed right now through June 20th and eating like crazy, reducing cardio and getting slightly fatter. I was going to switch to Test prop for the cut, stick with the Tren E, do ? mg Var for the last 10 weeks and the 100? mg Proviron. What dosage do you recommend on the prop/Tren E? Around 800 mgs on prop and 600 mgs of tren-e Thanks buddy![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

HEy Ronnie, I wanted your thoughts on my proposed slingshot cycle. I want to bulk the first reload then lean bulk second reload ( so total of a 20 week cycle with full blown pct at the end hcg /clomid/nolva.

Ok here it is

First Reload
Weeks 1-8 sus250 750mgs a week
weeks 1-8 deca 500mgs a week
weeks 1-8 Dbol 50mgs a day
First Deload
Weeks 9-10 sus 250, 250mgs a week

Second Reload
weeks 11-18 sus 250 750mgs a week
weeks 11-18 tren A 100mgs EOD
Second Deload
Weeks 19-20 sus 250 250mgs a week

PCT 18 days after last sus injection.
HCG 2500mgs EOD for first two weeks, 50mgs clomid twice a day for 4 weeks, Nolva 20mgs a day for 4 weeks.

Do you have any suggestions on dosage on second reload with test or keep the same. Any thoughts or does this look pretty good. Would love your advice.

Thanks for everything Ronnie

Looks good. The only thing to consider would be adding in an oral anabolic like winstrol during second reload.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie.,

Im currently on week 5 of deca test and im running HCG every mon and thursday at 250iu. "500 a week"

I got the 5000iu kits that i make that would last 10 weeks at that dose.

My question is i hear this stuff is only good for 30-40 days. Will i be ok or do i need to dump what i got after 40 days and make fresh?

I used Bacteriostatic water to mix.
"

A 2,000 IU vial at 250IU HCG injections will last for around 10 days. A 5,000IU mixture at 250IU HCG injections per day will last for around 20 days. A 10,000IU vial can last for up to 40 days at 250 IUs but potency is always a concern past 30 days.

[slimshady01]

At what kind of dosing, I'm injecting 250iu on Monday Thursday. That's only 500iu a week which would last me 10 weeks.

I've always ran hcg through the cycle instead of waiting till the end of cycle then blasting large amounts to get my balls firing.

Just not sure the best way to do this on a 20 weeker.

[dirtysouth]

Looks good. The only thing to consider would be adding in an oral anabolic like winstrol during second reload.

Thank you for your time Ronnie, good luck with all the training you got going on.

[Ronnie Rowland]

can you change compounds like.... Running test and tren for 8 weeks then 2 week deload of just test and then run test and decca. yes thats the best way! and would i have to run more test on the second reload? not unless you want to.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie
a few pages back you recomended 40mgs of clen for breathing issues. Is that right or did you mean 40mcgs? yes mcgs not mgs! i've never used clen so just getting the clear. And when is it best used? before noon. You can take 40mcgs all at once. I like to split 80 mcgs in half. 8-12 oclock! thnx

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=slimshady01;5660203]At what kind of dosing, I'm injecting 250iu on Monday Thursday. That's only 500iu a week which would last me 10 weeks.

I've always ran hcg through the cycle instead of waiting till the end of cycle then blasting large amounts to get my balls firing.

Just not sure the best way to do this on a 20 weeker. SINCE YOU HAVE ALWAYS RAN 500 IUS WHILE ON CYCLE WHY DONT YOU HOLD OFF ON FIRST 10 WEEKS THEN ADD HCG AT 500IUS PER WEEK FOR LAST 10 WEEKS THEN SMALLER PCT AT END.[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

test e: 8wk 500mg/wk

front load first shot at 3.75 ml (937.5mg)

frontload first week (double each injection that week to 2 ml rather than 1ml)

or

run dbol for the first 4 weeks? go with d-bol!

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[slimshady01]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5660467]

At what kind of dosing, I'm injecting 250iu on Monday Thursday. That's only 500iu a week which would last me 10 weeks.

I've always ran hcg through the cycle instead of waiting till the end of cycle then blasting large amounts to get my balls firing.

Just not sure the best way to do this on a 20 weeker. SINCE YOU HAVE ALWAYS RAN 500 IUS WHILE ON CYCLE WHY DONT YOU HOLD OFF ON FIRST 10 WEEKS THEN ADD HCG AT 500IUS PER WEEK FOR LAST 10 WEEKS THEN SMALLER PCT AT END.[/QUOTE]ABOVE

I am starting week 6 tomorrow and I've started since week 2 . Should I just continue the full 20 or just stop now then start again in week 10.

[bgvillones]

Sir Ronnie, if im gonna take 500mgs of testosterone enanthate a week can I take it on one day at the same syringe? That would be once a week but 500mgs for 2mos. And sir Ronnie help me pls. Ive injected last monday may 30, 2011 250mgs of testosterone enanthate and now monday july 6, 2011 is it possbile to notice gynecomastia even though its only my 2nd week of testosterone enanthate? And help me how to get rid of it? And is it ok to change my cycle to deca durabolin ? Thanks a lot.

[ricky23]

hi ronnie, do you think its a good idea to double up on carbs one or two days of the week (maybe when training lagging bodyparts) when rest of the week is low-med carbs 200-300g while lean bulking?
would this be a good time for a cheat meal with fats and sodium to help pull glycogen into the muscles,
also what do you think of reducing water intake while carbing up to draw subcutaneous water into the muscles?
thanks mate

also all the best for your clients' upcoming shows. are you planning on competing any time soon?

[Lecent83]

above

Thank you Sir.

[kml999]

Drop it to be on the safe side!

Ronnie,
i finally did the sinus surgery and left the hospital on sunday night. wow thats a big relief to be honest. i wanted to ask since i stopped pct on my 24th day can i still do the whats left of it? i dont know if now is a good time since am still recovering from the surgery and if i should wait for my bleeding to stop and then do the left 1-2 wks pct that i had to do or its fine to take it now?

my past PCT looked like this before the surgery: 20 nolva, 50 clomid and 12.5 EOD aromasin starting on 3rd wk (since i didnt have it at that time)

if you recommend 1-2wks of PCT would the above be a good choice? reason am doing this pct cause i didnt recover from a past pct and BW came with high e2, low test , low lh/fsh and sure these values will get screwed up even more after the surgery since the body right now is going through allot to recover.

[yannyboy]

Ronnie, I am about to start 2 back to back 20 week blasts. If I use 1g of test c and 50mg Dbol for the first reload, can you give me an example of what the other 3 reloads could look like? Cheers

[Black]

I was curious as well what to go up on my second re-load blast. First one was 600mg of Test Cyp a week. How much should I increase after the 2 week deload?

[holycow]

Ronnie, what is your opinion on using proviron on a test-only cycle, or maybe test/eq or test/deca? I would basically use it as an AI, instead of aromasin. I usually need an AI to control estrogren because i've gotten sensitive nips in the past. Do you think I could get away with 50mg ED of proviron on a cycle of something like 800mg of test-sust PW? It's also suppose to increase the effectiveness of the test right.

Bump.

Ronnie, could this reload work after the following reload??

(reload #1)
1-8 Test-p @ 100mg EOD (350mg/week)
1-8 Tren -a @ 150mg EOD (525mg/week)
3-8 Winny @ 25mg ED (175mg/week)
1-8 Aromasin @ 25mg E3D

(reload #2)
1-8 Sust @ 750mg/week or T-400 @ 800mg/week
1-8 Proviron @ 50mg/day
1-8 D-bol @ 40mg/day or Anadrol @ 50mg/day
[ 1-8 Aromasin @ 12.5mg E3D ] ??

Like i've said, I've never used proviron and am gyno prone. I was wondering if I could get away with using proviron only as an AI in the reload #2, and do you think the second reload is potent enough, given it's following a tren cycle?

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

sir ronnie, if im gonna take 500mgs of testosterone enanthate a week can i take it on one day at the same syringe? yes and you can do as much as 750 mgs once per week which is 3 ccs in one shot! that would be once a week but 500mgs for 2mos. And sir ronnie help me pls. Ive injected last monday may 30, 2011 250mgs of testosterone enanthate and now monday july 6, 2011 is it possbile to notice gynecomastia even though its only my 2nd week of testosterone enanthate? its possible but you would have to be very prone to gyno. You can take arimidex at .05mgs eod to prevent gyno or run some nolvadex every day at 20-40 mgs.and help me how to get rid of it? And is it ok to change my cycle to deca durabolin? Thanks a lot. :d

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie,

Background: I was planning to bulk throughout 20 week blast. Currently on 2nd reload 4th week of 1.5g of test E/week and 50mg of proviron /week. Dropped EQ after 1st reload.

I seem to have packed a lot of fat, strength and weight is definitely up. Was initially planning to cut in August (Fasting month) while cruising at 250mg test for 4 weeks. But I seem to be panicking with my current state. My arms chest and shoulders are lean but my abs have vanished, Just the top 2 and hint of 3/4 visible, 5/6 are gone totally with IMO considerable fat that I can pinch.

Should I stop to panic and continue to bulk till end of deload (End of July) and start of Fasting month to cut?I would keep everything the same except cut carbs a bit so that you harden up some while still making gains. Lose 1 lb per week and you should be good.Can i start to cut now till the end of fasting month (End of August) - this wud be total of 12 weeks of cut with last 4 weeks of fasting month ?

I wud use clen during cut and morning aerobics with evening weight lifting

Thanks as always

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=slimshady01;5660539][QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5660467]


I am starting week 6 tomorrow and I've started since week 2 . Should I just continue the full 20 or just stop now then start again in week 10. stop now and start at week 10[/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=ricky23;5660731]hi ronnie, do you think its a good idea to double up on carbs one or two days of the week (maybe when training lagging bodyparts) when rest of the week is low-med carbs 200-300g while lean bulking? It's a good idea to carb up on the days you hit big muscle groups. For example: legs and back!would this be a good time for a cheat meal with fats and sodium to help pull glycogen into the muscles, yesalso what do you think of reducing water intake while carbing up to draw subcutaneous water into the muscles? keep drinking water on carb up days!thanks mate

also all the best for your clients' upcoming shows. are you planning on competing any time soon? some already have competed and more to come![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie,
i finally did the sinus surgery and left the hospital on sunday night. wow thats a big relief to be honest. i wanted to ask since i stopped pct on my 24th day can i still do the whats left of it? yes i dont know if now is a good time since am still recovering from the surgery and if i should wait for my bleeding to stop and then do the left 1-2 wks pct that i had to do or its fine to take it now? wait until bleeding stops then you can resume pct.my past PCT looked like this before the surgery: 20 nolva, 50 clomid and 12.5 EOD aromasin starting on 3rd wk (since i didnt have it at that time)

if you recommend 1-2wks of PCT would the above be a good choice? you really need 2 weeks of hcg thrown into the mix. reason am doing this pct cause i didnt recover from a past pct and BW came with high e2, low test , low lh/fsh and sure these values will get screwed up even more after the surgery since the body right now is going through allot to recover.

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Dante Diamond;5664505]I was curious as well what to go up on my second re-load blast. First one was 600mg of Test Cyp a week. How much should I increase after the 2 week deload? you can go up to 1 gram of test.[/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Bump.

Ronnie, could this reload work after the following reload?? looks good to me and in general d-bol and anadrol are even more powerful than tren at producing strength gains
(reload #1)
1-8 Test-p @ 100mg EOD (350mg/week)
1-8 Tren -a @ 150mg EOD (525mg/week)
3-8 Winny @ 25mg ED (175mg/week)
1-8 Aromasin @ 25mg E3D

(reload #2)
1-8 Sust @ 750mg/week or T-400 @ 800mg/week
1-8 Proviron @ 50mg/day
1-8 D-bol @ 40mg/day or Anadrol @ 50mg/day
[ 1-8 Aromasin @ 12.5mg E3D ] ??

Like i've said, I've never used proviron and am gyno prone. I was wondering if I could get away with using proviron only as an AI in the reload #2, and do you think the second reload is potent enough, given it's following a tren cycle? try the proviron and see. you can always add mroe anti-es if it does not work! Second reload is plenty potent enough!Thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, I am about to start 2 back to back 20 week blasts. If I use 1g of test c and 50mg Dbol for the first reload, can you give me an example of what the other 3 reloads could look like? Cheers

2nd reload: test 1.5 grams per week, tren 400 mgs per week.
3rd reload: test 1 gram, anadrol 75 mgs daily
4th reload: test 1 gram of test, anadrol 75 mgs or d-bol 50 grams and tren 400 mgs.

[kml999]

BW questions:
1- now calcium levels came fine what does it mean if Vit D (25 hydroxy) came low? i thought the two were linear. Vit D is effected by diet a bit, but read that sun light has a big effect on the skin to produce that vitamin. what are your thought about this?
2- what does it mean if DHEA is elevated and out of range? some members on this forum make it sound that the higher the DHEA the better and am not sure of that
3- can elevated cortisol be from elevated estradiol? i know that cortisol elevates during PCT and as soon someone gets off AAS, but cortisol is very frighteneing when goes out the roof cause it causes an increase in heart rate and some times chest pain. my Vit C consumption is good by the way

[VASCULAR VINCE]

anadrol ...good???? bad??? pre--contest....

[VASCULAR VINCE]

winstrol ...vs..trenbolone ..6 weeks out until contest????

[flyingpoint001]

i like this

[bgvillones]

Sir Ronnie if I'm prone to gyno is there any steroids that I can take without having gyno? And can I buy arimidex .05mgs eod and nolvadex without having prescription? Sir Ronnie I want to change my steroid cycle to using deca durabolin can you give me a good cycle in using deca durabolin . Thanks a lot.

[slimshady01]

Ronnie,


So many questions to ask but ill start with a easy one.

I printed the entire Slingshot training and decided to go with the 4 day workout example thats in there. Im not sure how much has changed since writing it but one thing I caught was on back day.

You have me doing barbell rows medium to wide grip then close underhand grip. Yesterday while at work I was going back through this entire thread and I saw you wrote that you dont think anyone should do barbell rows because they are dangerous.

What is your stand on this now and what should i do to replace these 2 exercises.

Also has anything else changed since writing that training program.

Monday I do chest and Biceps.
Tuesday Legs
Wed Off
Thursday Shoulders and Tri
Friday Back
Weekend Off.

[Cronos]

Ronnie, what is your opinion of short burst cycling, sort of along the lines of what marcus 300 thread outlines? you use aas for 4 to 6 weeks at high ish dosages, then off for an equal amount of time, then repeat. Isn't that similar to your slingshot style in a sense, because your using aas for 8 weeks, then deloading, then going hard again for another 8 weeks. Isn't that kinda like your burst cycling for 2 8 week bursts, but only with yours you don't stop all aas you just deload. Can you give me your opinion please? Pros and cons etc. thank you!