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09-13-2011, 11:10 AM #3361
I read that you are on HRT. I am also on HRT (200mg/wk Test Cyp) for the last 10 years (I am now 37). I have the ability to take more than 200mg/wk, also I have HcG that I generally take 500u for the three days leading up to my Test inj. I read your advice on people not taking AAS until they have reached their genetic potential. Would you suggest that I continue my current regimen (test/HcG) or to increase it while on the 8 week reload? Alternatively I could cut off the test during the deload or maybe only take HcG during the deload?
I have not been working out for very long, only about 4 months so I am going to suspect you will suggest that I not increase my testosterone . If that is the case, what do you recommend I do for the reload/deload? And if so, how soon would it be to consider and increased cycling?
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[QUOTE=Corpsman;5746041]My wife and I started the SST program today with working out 5 days per week, working each body part once per week with a cardio/abs day on day 3. After the workout tonight I got a bit concerned that working out chest once every 7 days was not going to be enough. why your chest and not your legs or back? i see this all too common! chest size is determined by ones genetics not training it twice a week. the guys with the bigger chest in the world train their chest only once a week. its just like calves or arms-if you have the genetics they will grow training once a week and if you do not training them twice a week wont make any difference whatsover given you are working your chest properly once a week and not trying to life a ton of weight on the bench press. For the last 3 1/2 months we have been doing a workout 5 days a week with a cardio/abs day on day 3, but we were hitting each major muscle group twice per week. Can someone assure me that changing to hitting each major muscle group once every 7 days will be enough? It's the best way to train period! Use 10-15 degree declines as your main mass builder, not the flat bench unless your are built for that exercise (most are not)![/QUOTE]above
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09-14-2011, 09:32 AM #3374Junior Member
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double post, sorry
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09-14-2011, 09:33 AM #3375Junior Member
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Hey Ron,
We meet again!
Awesome thread! I Typed my cycle on excel i dont know how it would show up :S. Anyway This is my 3rd Cycle, ~14% bf, 32 y/o, 235lb. I would've been off a 20 week cycle for 3 months before i start this one in summer. I'm currently in the process of writing a diet (finally)....
Btw, I know you dont prefer/ like Adex but with Prop i get sensitive to gyno. HCG im Starting 6 weeks out from pct because i can only get my hands on 1x5000iu bottle. Prop and Tren (E or A) would be taken together Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday. Weeks 8 and week 9 are my Deaload Weeks (increase reps and carbs).
This is what my cutting/ lean bulk cycle looks like:
Wk Test P Tren HCG Arimidex Vitamin B6
1 660mg 200mg * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
2 660mg 500mg * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
3 660mg 500mg * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
4 660mg 500mg * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
5 660mg 500mg * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
6 660mg 500mg * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
7 660mg 500mg * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
8 660mg 500mg * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
9 360mg * * 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
10 360mg * 750iu (375iu x2) 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
11 855mg 500mg 750iu (375iu x2) 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
12 855mg 500mg 750iu (375iu x2) 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
13 855mg 300mg 750iu (375iu x2) 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
14 855mg * 750iu (375iu x2) 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
15 300mg * 1250iu (625iu x2) 0.5mg E3D 200mg ED
16 * * * 0.5mg E3D *
PCT:
Week Nolva Clomoid Tribulus
16 40mg ED 50mg ED 20mg ED
17 20mg ED 25mg ED 20mg ED
18 20mg ED 25mg ED 20mg ED
19 20mg ED 25mg ED 20mg ED
20 20mg ED 25mg ED 20mg ED
21 10mg ED * 20mg ED
22 * * 20mg ED
23 * * 20mg ED
ps: i find tribulus helps my recovery and increases my sex drive, during pct.
Workout Split: (cardio 20min x2 week)
Monday - Back
tuesday - Chest/ Abs
wednesday - legs
thursday - shoulders/rear delts/traps
friday - biceps/triceps
saturday- off
sunday- off
- I'm not sure which tren i want to use yet, Acetate or Enanthate ? What would you recommend?
- I'm Taking the B6 to control Progesterone Sides from the Tren, i cant get my hands on caber. Thoughts?
- I'm also taking throughout the cycle GHRP-2 150mcg Post Workout OR before bed (4 Days on 3 Days off)
- I have some t3 i'm not sure if i would use it yet. If i end up using the t3 i wouldn't dose over 50mcg ED and ill taper up and taper down over 6 weeks.
- Would you recommend the use of Clen also? (2 weeks on,off)
- Does injectable B12 do anything in your opinion?
Ron do you respond to private messages? if i have any questions towards my diet.
Thank You!Last edited by kisektah1; 09-14-2011 at 09:51 AM.
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09-14-2011, 04:48 PM #3376
Thanks for the reply Ronnie. How should I use the HcG with the Testosterone you are suggesting? Also, I only mentioned chest in my other post because it happened to be what I had just finished working on. I workout all my muscle groups equally. But I am wondering what the purpose is for doing 45° incline dumbbell curls instead of just seated. I am straining my neck doing them like that. Is there a specific reason to do them inclined?
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09-14-2011, 08:32 PM #3377New Member
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hi ronnie,
question for you ... im doing a 8 week cycle of super dmz followed by 4 weeks of decadrol.... now for my deload part do you suggest going for a pct or maybe just deload for another 2 weeks using decadrol again and then repeating the cycle( dmz and decadrol )again???
any input would be greatly appreciated
thks in advance
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09-14-2011, 10:21 PM #3378New Member
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Hello, I was hoping I could get some advice from someone that is experienced. I am new to forums and I actually have just found this one. I tried to get some help on other forums but people don't seem to want to help with what my goals are. Thanks in advance for any advice given!
I'm going to start with a little background about myself so I can get some good advice
I am 27 years old I have been working out off and on for the last 3 years (but not serious at all until the last year and a half) In the last year and a half I have gone from 174lbs to my current weight around 194. I believe I have about 14% body fat (I had this checked about 3 months ago with a trainer). I eat very healthy now (I did not before) I'm 6' tall and I have done AAS a few times now.
My goals:
I wish to get to around 215-220 I have been having trouble gaining weight I think because I don't eat enough, but I am going to increase my cal intake a lot more. I range from 1700 - 2800 cals per day depending on time. I'm looking to gain a lot of strength and size. Other goals is I really want to be very lean too. I would like a good looking 6 pack, I kinda have a small one forming now but not really. I have been told it is hard to gain muscle and lose fat but I'm willing to put in the work
What I was hoping for was a experienced person could tell me exactly what stack I should take for bulking and cutting when I should take each thing, for how long, a dosage amount and I will follow it to the tee. I would like to be safe and me knowing that I am inexperienced I feel it would be stupid not to talk to a person that has already gone though this and could give me sound advice. If you feel like it too you could tell me how long I should work out and such but its not important I'm thankful enough for good stack\cycle advice
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09-14-2011, 10:23 PM #3379New Member
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Help I need some advice!
Hello, I was hoping I could get some advice from someone that is experienced. I am new to forums and I actually have just found this one. I tried to get some help on other forums but people don't seem to want to help with what my goals are. Thanks in advance for any advice given!
I'm going to start with a little background about myself so I can get some good advice
I am 27 years old I have been working out off and on for the last 3 years (but not serious at all until the last year and a half) In the last year and a half I have gone from 174lbs to my current weight around 194. I believe I have about 14% body fat (I had this checked about 3 months ago with a trainer). I eat very healthy now (I did not before) I'm 6' tall and I have done AAS a few times now.
My goals:
I wish to get to around 215-220 I have been having trouble gaining weight I think because I don't eat enough, but I am going to increase my cal intake a lot more. I range from 1700 - 2800 cals per day depending on time. I'm looking to gain a lot of strength and size. Other goals is I really want to be very lean too. I would like a good looking 6 pack, I kinda have a small one forming now but not really. I have been told it is hard to gain muscle and lose fat but I'm willing to put in the work
What I was hoping for was a experienced person could tell me exactly what stack I should take for bulking and cutting when I should take each thing, for how long, a dosage amount and I will follow it to the tee. I would like to be safe and me knowing that I am inexperienced I feel it would be stupid not to talk to a person that has already gone though this and could give me sound advice. If you feel like it too you could tell me how long I should work out and such but its not important I'm thankful enough for good stack\cycle advice
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09-14-2011, 11:17 PM #3381New Member
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Yes I now that was an issue, I have been doing some research. I just can't seem to get hungry enough I'm thinking about trying some meal replacments that I could force drink in the day. Right now I'm eating about 5-7 times a day I try to eat every 2 hrs. But I'm still interested on stacking and cycles. I want to go at this 150% now I'm motivated just need some guidance so I can do this right. How much cals would you suggest I eat per day? One issue I'm having is I seem to eat a lot but I eat chicken breast (baked) and other healthy food like tuna. It does not seem to pack a punch cal wise like McDonalds lol. When I'm on a bulking cycle should I be worried about the kind of food I eat? Or should I be most concerned with my cal intake?
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In the DIET SECTION all will be revealed. Here's a couple of hints in the mean time. If your not eating enough all the juice in the world won't do anything. If you don't eat enough ALL your gains will evaporate immediately after cycle. LASTLY, don't eat at McDonald's under any circumstances, garbage in garbage out. I'm out, sorry Ron.
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09-15-2011, 12:05 AM #3383New Member
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09-16-2011, 04:57 PM #3384
Hey Ronnie....I finished my first 8 weeks and really happy with results. Put on 22lbs and dropped over a little over 1% in bf. Im about to finish up my second week of deload and monday starting the first round of shots for the next 8 weeks. Your suggestion on the Nolva worked out great, in two weeks my gyno is nearly gone. 40mgs/daily 2 weeks and 20mgs/daily from there. I dropped about 6lbs in water weight over the course of these two weeks and sitting right at 218. Can not wait to hit the next 8 weeks, Test E 750mgs, Tren E 700mgs, Masteron 500mgs and Anavar at 80mgs/daily. Also starting growth at 2 iu's a.m. and 1 iu evening.
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09-17-2011, 06:45 AM #3385
Big Ron, do you believe running test E or C solo has negative consequences on collagen/tendons? I've read that test can reduce collagen synthesis and other compounds such as deca , equipoise , or anavar need to be added to combat this? Which cycle would provide better results, test cyp at 600mg/wk or test cyp 300mg/wk combined with deca at 300mg/wk? Do you have a prefrence between Deca or Equipoise?
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[QUOTE=Corpsman;5749370]Thanks for the reply Ronnie. How should I use the HcG with the Testosterone you are suggesting? PLEASE SCROLL BACK AND READ THROUGH THE FIRST PART OF THIS THREAD AS THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED MANY TIMES ALREADY Also, I only mentioned chest in my other post because it happened to be what I had just finished working on. I workout all my muscle groups equally. But I am wondering what the purpose is for doing 45° incline dumbbell curls instead of just seated. I am straining my neck doing them like that. Is there a specific reason to do them inclined? IMO 45 DEGREE INCLINES ARE VERY DANGEROUS AND A GOOD WAY TO HERNIATE A DISK IN THE CERVICAL REGIONS. THERE ARE NO ADVANATGES WHATSOVER OVER SEATED DUMBELL CURLS BUT THERE ARE SOME DISADVANTAGES![/QUOTE]ABOVE
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these questions are just to vague to answer them all but like titan said you need to improve diet. You need more essential fats and lean proteins in your diet to gain weight and probably even more slow burning carbs. Good bulking drugs are test, tren , d-bol a-drol. Good cutting drugs are test, tren winstrol . 4 days per week in the gym are plenty to gain size and some can only recovery from 3 days of weight training due to work load outside of the gym.
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09-18-2011, 09:17 AM #3391
Hey Ronnie,
Just wondering if you could elaborate a bit more on the blasting diet? on the blasting diet phase. Do you still recommend carb cycling for the blasting phase?
I'm 194lb, currently bulking, I'm getting around 3800-3900 calories a day, 285g protein, 320g carbs and 160g of fat. Currently gaining 1-2lb a week.
Typical day is:
Meal 1: 2 Whole Free Range Cage Free Eggs, 6 Egg Whites, 1 Cup Oats and 50g Frozen Berries, with sometimes a small amount of honey.
Meal 2: 170g Chicken Breast, 1 Cup Brown Rice, 1 Cup Vegetables (Broccoli, Carrot etc) and 25g Almonds.
Meal 3 (Pre workout): 50g Whey Protein Isolate (water) and 1 Large Apple.
Meal 4 (Post workout): 50g Whey Protein Isolate (water) and 60g Dextrose.
Meal 5: 160g Extra Lean Beef Mince, 1 Cup Wholemeal Pasta, 4 Leaf Salad with 6 Tblspn of Extra Virgin Olive Oil and 1 Tblspn of Balsamic Vinegar.
Meal 6: 50g Whey Protein Isolate (water) and 60g Natural Peanut Butter.
Calculated with CalorieKing software.
Reason I outlined my diet is because if you still recommend carb cycling, would this be my low days, then on say Wednesday and Saturday I would add more cals/carbs?
Thanks!
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09-18-2011, 08:07 PM #3392New Member
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what A.I on cycle and S.E.R.M's do you use for pct
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09-20-2011, 05:02 PM #3395
Ron take a look at my cutting diet.
please keep in mind I am a smaller and have a slower metabolism.
Diet .
730am Pre-workout Meal.
1 Cup of Liquid Egg Whites
Half scoop of Whey Protein
1/4 cup of Oatmeal
3/4 Cup Of Frozen Blueberries
Cup of Spinach
6 Almonds
Calories 342 - Protein 40.3 - Carbs - 35 - Fat 6.6
1030am Post Workout Meal
1.75 Scoops of Whey Protein
1.25 Cup Frozen Blueberries
Calories 285 - Protein 42 - Carbs 28 - Fat 1
1pm Meal
6oz Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast
Handful of Frozen Organic Broccoli
12 Almonds
Calories 300 - Protein 36 - Carbs 10.5 - Fat 11.25
4pm Meal
6oz Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast
Mixed Veggies "broccoli Cauliflower"
6 Almonds
Calories 240 - Protein 37 - Carbs - 9 - Fat 7.5
7pm Meal
3 cups of mixed salad greans
6oz og chicken
2 Tablespoons of Olive Oil
2 Tablespoons of Feta Cheese
Calories 475 - Protein 41 - Carbs 5 - Fat 33
10pm Meal
Cup of Liquid Egg Whites
Half Scoop of Casein Protein "dont have a Kroger near me, i know what you want to say"
1 Tablespoon of Smart Balance Peanut Butter
Calories 276 - Protein 40 - Carbs 8 - Fats - 9
Rough Totals - Calories - 1915 - Protein - 240 - Carbs 90 - Fat 72
I follow this diet Monday - Wednesday. On Thursday "carb load" I have 6 meals that have the Macros of around 40 Protein and 40 Carbs and no fats. This is a mild clean refeed containing roughly the same amount of calories.
On Friday and Saturday I follow the main meal plan listed then on Sunday I have another Carb refeed day but include 2 cheats with fats. Calories may hit 3k on Sunday or more.
For example on Sunday for breakfast I have a huge stack of blueberry pancakes cooked in olive oil with Sugar free syrup and a protein shake. At night I had a massive Five Guys bacon cheeseburger with a crap ton of fries. All meals in between and after are clean carbs and healthy fats.
On a side note,
I started t3 on Thursday at 37mcg a night.Last edited by slimshady01; 09-23-2011 at 08:35 PM.
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09-21-2011, 06:23 AM #3396Junior Member
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big ron what are your thoughts on a 3 times a week split (cant train chest)
mon - delts traps and light tris
wed - legs
fri - back arms
been doing this lately and ive blown up like a tank!! just kidding! but im definitely looking fuller than when using my usual 5 day split.
thought this would be good to bring up bodyparts like arms as i feel i was overtraining them before.
thanks
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09-21-2011, 08:15 AM #3397Junior Member
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ron i was talking to you before about sleep apnea, i was using tren and was told by someone i know that when he stopped using tren it went, so i tried this and as soon as i came off the tren i was no longer falling asleep a few times through out the day if i sat down or watched tv or drove the car for long and felt much better be im still not 100 percent and still snoring and stopping breathing at night and last week was diagnosed with sleep apnea, so from today im on a cpap trial for a week. now clearly im only able for very small doses of tren or that makes it worse so im prob better off stayn away from it altogether but does the cpap reduce the apnea at all or is it a permanent thing ? if u get it do u have it for good like? or is ur only option to get rid of it to stop lifting weights? or wud that even work once u have it? or cud i be just prone to it from taking tren alone and it mite go away slowly since ive stopped, what your overall view and advice ? thanks again ron
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09-21-2011, 08:56 AM #3398New Member
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Hi guys I'm. New to this whole scene and I'm not sure if these post r up to date or not but I gotta say ronnie u give a new guy a whole lot of knowledge. Thanks man
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09-21-2011, 11:16 PM #3399
Ronnie I asked you about doing 45 degree incline dumbbell curls because I was following your sample 4 day split:
"2 WEEK ANABOLIC PRIME" were each muscle is trained "once a week”
(EACH WORK SET IS TAKEN TO GOOD FAILURE)
Day 1 would be Monday and could consist of:
Chest: 4 sets
1st exercise is a key exercise-15 degree barbell decline press
1st set- 12-15 reps
2nd set-12-15 reps
Incline barbell press is a secondary exercise
1st set 12-15 reps
2nd exercise is a secondary exercise-Flat dumbbell flyes using inward pinky twist while bringing hands to lower chest during contraction.
1st set- 12-15 reps
Biceps:4 sets
1st exercise is a key exercise- seated Incline dumbbell curls on a 45 degree angle
1st set- 12-15 reps
2nd set-12-15 reps
2nd exercise is uni-lateral inverted preacher curls.
1st set- 12-15 reps
2nd set 12-15 reps to failure
Brachialis/Forearms/biceps
3rd exercise is a secondary exercise- Seated dumbbell hammer curls.
1st set- 12-15 reps
Forearms:4 sets
Wrist curls
1 set of 12-15 reps
2nd set 12-15 reps to failure
Reverse wrist curls
1 set of 12-15 reps
2nd set 12-15 reps to failure
Are you saying NOT to do these? If so, should I maybe replace them with cable crosses? I would have thought just seated DB curls but it sounds like you don't like those either.
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09-21-2011, 11:24 PM #3400
Ronnie... I also asked you about HcG specifically because I am on year round HRT at Testosterone Cyp 200mg/wk. I know the use of HcG has been discussed in previous threads earlier but I didn't see any that specifically spoke to those of us on HRT. I get what I should do while I am on the reload (250u every other day), but what about when I am on deload? I was planning to go back to 200mg/wk of Test Cyp while on deload, as you suggest, but should I maintain the 250u every other day of HcG while on deload, or cut it off completely?
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Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.
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