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07-14-2011, 01:17 PM #3161Associate Member
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is aromasin considered to be liver toxic? is it considered to be Zero/low/mild/high liver toxic? the reason why am asking cause am having liver discomfort when i sit and checked my liver enzymes came back a bit whacked. is it from the medications am on for the surgery and pct compunds? this is what am on right now: aromasin,nolva,antiboitics, anti-inflamatory, steroid nasal spray, ursodeoxycholic acid month course for reduction of liver fat. i think that fast food, med drugs (antiboitic/tylenol..et) can elevate ALT liver value?
would you say the aromasin i have is good or underosed by lookin at these value?
*estrodiol: 69.14 (7.63-42.6)
day1: 37.5mg aromasin, 100clomid
day2: 37.5 aromasin, 100 clomid, 40 nolva
day3: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day4: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day5: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
*estradiol: 38 (11-44)
day6: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day7: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day8: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day9: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day10: 12.5 aromasin, 20 nolva
*estradiol: 34 (11-44)
am really confused! am off cycle and aromasin should knock down the estro way easier then on cycle. i guess its time to get pharm grade aromsin, cause all these research chemical companies make underdosed ancillaries i think...Ron would agree with me the aromasin am using is underdosed?Last edited by kml999; 07-15-2011 at 03:23 AM.
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[QUOTE=ricky23;5692000]ronnie what do you think of running proviron to attach to SHBG and free up test? I think proviron is best used as an anti-es during both reloads and deloads. I do not buy into the theory it frees up enough test to make a noticeable difference. best to run during deload or reload or not at all?
also good idea to swap adex for aromasin next reload? always stay with proviron unless its too weak to prevent gyno symptoms as proviron can actually increase sex drive where as adex can destroy it.[/QUOTE]above
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[QUOTE=lynxeffect1;5692060]with regards to the 15 degree incline and decline you reccomended and i tried and it def took the shoulders out of the equation, how come no matter what in every video you see and even the big lads at my own gym , they all do at least 30 to 45 degrees? Well, just because someone is big does not mean they are doing things correctly. Also, if someone has good upper chest genetics their upper pec will actually take over the movement as opposed to the anterior delts even at a higher degree of angles. [/QUOTE]above
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[QUOTE=Willy D.;5692234]Ronnie,
Starting my first deload Monday using your split 1 routine. I am currently doing 330Lb deadlifts so for the deload they should be what? 200? 250? Bascially what you do with a deload is cut work set by around half and keep rep higher (10-15). If you have sore joints after the 8 week reload you should not train to failure during the deload but you can train to failure with higher reps/lighter weights if your joints are not bothering you. and of course all other exercises will follow suite. Also plan on doing my second reload using your split 2 routine. My quetion here is...On chest day in addition to incline, flat, and decline benchpress can I also do incline, flat, and decline flys? Stick to just flat flyes. Inclines are too hard on the rotator cuff and you need more work for the lower-mid section of the pecs. The upper region is a very small area requiring few sets to stimulate! I always do decline before inclines so my shoulder is warmed up to the max and I cannot lift as much weight-hence sparing my rotator cuffs and making my chest larger. or will this be to much? Just trying to get a deaper center. As always Thanks for your input and time.
Your advise to all is second to none. THANK YOU![/QUOTE]Ronnie
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[QUOTE=ricky23;5692977]hey ron, i ran test at 1.5g last reload and i respond well to it with not many sides or feeling ill, can i run test only cycles and expect similar results to test/tren if test is increased? NO! TEST AND TREN COMBO IS STRONGER THAN LARGER DOSAGES OF TEST AND ADDING D-BOL OR ANADROL TO TEST/TREN IS EVEN BETTER. IF YOU USED GH/SLIN/TEST THEN YOU COULD GROW LIKE A WEED WITH JUST TEST AS YOUR ONLY ANABOLIC. just been reading this whole thread again from page 1 - i would be lost without this thread lol
really appreciate the help mate
hows the prep going? PREP IS GOING WELL AND EVEN THOUGH MY LEGS HAVE IMPROVED I AM STILL TOP-HEAVY FROM THE NERVE DAMAGE IN MY LOWER BACK..MY WIFE SAID I LOOKED LIKE THE CARTOON CHARACTER MR.INCREDIBLE BACK IN THE OFF-SEASON.....LOL[/QUOTE]ABOVE
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[QUOTE=kml999;5692467]update
i did further BW for just estro and total test on the 5th day of pct...now my estro used to be 69.14 (7.63-42.6) and now is 38 (11-44) and my total test was 1.67 (2.8-8.0) and now total test is 4.83 (3.0-10.6). i ran this when i started my 3rd pct 5 days ago:
day1: 37.5mg aromasin , 100clomid
day2: 37.5 aromasin, 100 clomid, 40 nolva
day3: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day4: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva
day5: 12.5 aromasin, 40 nolva (havent taken the nolva on this day when i did the test and took it afterwards before sleep)
i did the bw test on the 5th day of this pct and did estrodiol and total testosterone ONLY at a local lab and got the above results. i will keep aromasin at 12.5mg per day and 20 nolva until the 10th day
should i stop on the 10th day? should i still do hcg ? I WOULD ALWAYS DO SOME HCG AND KEEP ANTI-ES IN FOR MINIMUM OF 3 WEEKS POST CYCLE.[/QUOTE]ABOVE
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[QUOTE=trainhard10;5692587]Alright so this is my first time on here and am hoping I'm in the area. I am going on my fourth cycle but my first three I did zero thinking, everything was done for me when it came to putting the cycle together by my former training partner. He had moved and sold me the last of what he had so I was wanting to know if anyone could help me set up a cycle with what I have. Yes I have been reading up and doing my homework but just want to be sure this is done correct. I did some research on the stuff and it both inject ables say to take once a week? I hope I'm typing this correct.
Enanthate 200mg + Boldenone Undeclynate 50mg I have three 250mg x 10ml Vials
250mg/ml x 10ml/vials x 2 = 5000 mgs testosterone propionate (30 mg); testosterone phenylpropionate (60 mg); testosterone isocaproate (60mg); and testosterone decanoate (100 mg)
and thats two of those vials.
250 10mg Danabol tabs
As far as during and after I have all the proper antiestragens figured out as well as my HCG .
Anyway I hope this is the correct area and I hope that I posted everything right and thanks for the help.
I hoping to get a 12 week cycle out of the injectable.[/QUOTE]I SET UP 20 WEEK CYCLES (MINIMUM) SO PROBABLY BEST TO POST IN ANABOLIC STEROIDS Q n A SECTION.
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07-14-2011, 09:44 PM #3176
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Hey Ron, quick workout question. I recently started a new reload and on leg night I do 3 working sets of squats on the Smith machine, 3 sets of hack squats (machine) and 3 sets of leg extensions for quads. I also do 6 sets of leg curls and 8 sets of calf raises(5 standing, 3 seated). I just tried switching leg presses for hack squats. I like the feel of it and it seems to hit the glutes more which is something I need to work on. It doesn't seem to hit the quads as hard though. If I wanted to leave the leg presses in, should I do more squats, leg extensions or leave it like it is? Thanks Buddy!!
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07-15-2011, 03:24 AM #3178Associate Member
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Ron please check post #3164 (you replied twice for the same post)
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LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS TO PREVENT OVER-TRAINING OF CNS AND JOINTS. Going with a wide stance with feet fairly high on leg presses really stimulates the glutes. Lunges on a smith machine using a step up are even better for glute development. May want to give those a try !
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Got it man, thanks a lot!!
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07-15-2011, 06:52 AM #3181Junior Member
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07-16-2011, 03:50 AM #3184
Thanks for your help Ronnie ..... you are tops!
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Hey Ron, for cutting do you prefer Masteron or oxandrolone? If you were going to incorporate Masteron into a Test prop 1000 mg/Tren E 800 mg cutting cycle, what would be a good dosage?
Also, I've recently come across a steroid blend of Test Ace 50mg/ml Tren Ace 50 mg/ Drost Prop 50 mg/ml. Would 2.5 ml ed be a comparable cycle to the Test Prop 1000 mg/ Tren E 800 mg/75 mg Var ed? What is your opinion regarding this stuff?Last edited by The Titan99; 07-19-2011 at 09:08 PM.
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07-17-2011, 09:01 AM #3186
Hey Ron when i cut you mentioned Var, primo and low dose of test since im prone to hairloss. Im seeing a lot of people saying primo can be horrid on the hairline.
Whats your opinion on that,.
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07-17-2011, 11:54 AM #3187Junior Member
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[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5693621]woah! no doubt you could have been pro especially with those arms and delts genetics!!
how much do you weigh on stage?
ronnie after a 2 week prime with no aas for receptor cleansing good idea to throw in anadrol with my usual test/tren combo to up total dosages. my last 3 mass gain reloads have had 1.5g test - reckon i should up to 2g (never felt bad sides from test like flu etc)?
do you reckon running both as enanthates would be better than esther mixes?
thanks mateLast edited by ricky23; 07-20-2011 at 07:43 AM.
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07-19-2011, 08:41 PM #3188Member
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Hey Ron
I noticed you recommend accutane for acne somewhere in a thread. My wife has suffered for years with acne with very little help from the dermatologist. the antibiotics helped some, but not much. She has tried everything and is diligent about face cleaning and such. She is 30 and still having very bad issues at times with this. It seems to be worse when the monthly hormones hit. She can't take accutane as she still wants another child.
Do you have any other ideas that might help?
Thanx Ronnie.
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07-20-2011, 07:41 AM #3189Junior Member
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ronnie, for past deloads ive always just replaced protein cals with carb cals. this time was thinking of reducing carbs aswell as protein but upping fat cals to level out. for me that would be 250g protein 200g carbs 180g fats
good idea???!!
thanks man
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07-20-2011, 03:11 PM #3190Junior Member
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apart from bodyfat, does hgh keep the water weight from gear off your face? how much cardio can u really get away with without eating away at ur muscle when tryn to gain size, for eg ...all the big guys in wrestling have a hell of a lot of cardio to do or is it gona be dependant on how much gear u take and they tend to just up the dosage if losing muscle from all the cardio? im stil reading the dynamite kids book and wot he said happened to him from the large doses of steroids was he had a heart attack from having an enlarged heart which was caused because the heart is a muscle so that grew along with every other muscle, is this a freak rare incident the heart growing because ive never heard of any bodybuilders heart that grew, wud it not be happening to everyone then? because isnt anyone who wants to be pro size or near enough to it gonna have to take more or less the same high amount of gear. lastly ron regarding my last post about how pro's use gear when they have to do guest posing in all parts of the world , i understand u cant say on this thread but is it possible to answer this in a private mail to me? if not i understand , cheers again ron and best of luck to u and ur wife in yer shows!
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07-22-2011, 05:30 AM #3191Junior Member
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First of all THANK YOU VERY MUCH for creating this and taking time to answer all the questions.
I have to be honest i read up until page 21 but i gave up.
So i don't know if you answered this already but whats your take on taking in less test than, lets say, tren per week?
Also, If i'm already in a reload phase of 50mg Prop ED and 75mg TrenA ED and deload with only 50md Prop EOD in the next reload phase can i add Equi and keep goinf for 3 or more reload\load?
If you answer this i will go into more detail about my plans
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07-23-2011, 03:20 AM #3192New Member
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Hi there, this is a summer about me so maybe you can help me out. Started training about 11 years ago and my first cycle was 100 5mg dinabal and i made preety good difference no pct taken, 2nd cycle was 250mg sustanun,200mg deca and about 200 dinaball for 8weeks and took only 500mg HCG and felt my hair getting thinner since i stopped and some weeks after. Then had 200 Winsrol 5mg for 10 weeks and went preety good. A Cycle of Cypronaite 400mg a week for 8 weeks no PCT. 10 week Trenbolon no PCT, 5 weeks Boldenate & Trenbolone wHich I was looking very ripped at 95 kg no PCT. These cycles where taken in about 8 years with approximatley over 6 months clean in between. Than I stopped workout for a couple of years and also had a surgery which dissolved me in 75kg. Now I m heading back at the gym and taking it very seriously but obviously i feel bad seeing everyone bigger and my motivation goes a bit lack. Knowledge in my country wasnt that good concerning steroids and now a days the few people who can guide you by there experience are very few and hard to spend time helping you out. Now I am going trough thinning of hair and I am trying to at least keep whats left, using some Nioxin Treatments while I also wish to get back in the shape i was when i use to in my peak. But this time i want to do in the proper and safest way taking precautions and the least stuff that can effect DHT. Can you please suggest a cycle for me to gain some quality muscle. Water retention dont bother me much and I am a lean gainer with whatever I take, so my first concern is saftey. At the moment I have 14% fat 84kg 6.1ft tall. Please help me out because i m being very upset.
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07-25-2011, 03:15 PM #3197Associate Member
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did another BW for HCG beta subunit and it came low! 1.2 (ND to 2.5) for male
i guess i need to give HCG injections a try to get fully recovered? will my natural HCG production stabilize afterwards? or i have to live on hcg now? my lh/fsh are within range, but on the low end of the range
hcg stimulates both LH/FSH? or only LH? i read to stimulate FSH in men you need inject FSH (Gonal F, Follistim)?Last edited by kml999; 07-25-2011 at 03:44 PM.
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Hey Ron,
I've got an on going problem with my right elbow. It started last month when I had been hitting arms twice a week. I was over training and started to get a real dull ache in my elbow. I used to get the same from arm wrestling. Heavy BB curls, skull crushers, dips, cable crossovers really make it worse. For instance, it throbs when I inhale quickly or cough. I've dropped my bi/tri workout the last 2 weeks, but last night made it worse benching and really fvcked it up doing cable crossovers. Had to take a bunch of pain killers afterwards. The pain was probably 8/10. Today I can feel it, but it's maybe a 1/10 on the pain scale. Doesn't seem to bother me on pulling/back exercises. Also, funny enough, it seems to be exacerbated by heavy squats. I'm in the middle of a cycle right now (800 mg Test Prop/800 mg Tren E/ 50 mg Proviron ed) and don't want to come off. I added in 250 mg of Deca per week for joint lube, but it's not helping the injury, just the other joints. I also have Anavar which I've read might help this injury. I cruise and blast for a year. 47 years old, so I know joint issues come with the territory. I'm dinged up in several other places also (rotator cuff, bi tendon, top of the shoulder) but I don't do well taking off. That said, I'll do what's necessary. I've got about 10-14 days before I should start my 12 week cut. I'm also wondering if I take off could I still do my leg work out each week anyway? Any advice from you will be immediately implemented.
P.S. I've had this before and don't remember what exactly resolved it...Last edited by The Titan99; 07-27-2011 at 12:44 AM.
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07-26-2011, 05:06 AM #3199
Hi ron,
I successfully finished a blast of testE 500/week and later 1.5g/week. I am at the end of my PCT now which was standard nolva/clomid.
You advice to wait 6 weeks after PCT to start your next blast. I will get some blood work done to see where i stand today.
Right After the last dose of PCT i have a month of fasting (Ramadan) and I dun want to lose my strength nor size but maybe use this time to get leaner and shreader.
1. Can I start a bridge right after PCT for a month?
2. If yes what would you recommend? I am thinking low dose of testE/C 250/week and maybe either low dose Tren or Anavar OR Primo any other androgenic + HCG + Proviron ? (I did 500iu through out the last blast?). I can also go with prop since it a short 4 week bridge and then switch to longer ester for the blast.
3. After the bridge do I do PCT again and wait 6 weeks or can jump on the 2nd blast right of the bat?
BTW I want kids in the future maybe in 2 years
ThanksLast edited by ridedivefx; 07-26-2011 at 05:53 AM.
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07-26-2011, 05:38 AM #3200
Hey Ron,
I think I will be at the Johnny Stewart Fitness show September 10th in Myrtle Beach coming up. Johnny works out and is a personal trainer at my gym. I was talking to him the other day and I asked him about you. He said "Ronnie is one hell of a bodybuilder". I will be going with my Pregnant "again" wife and a buddy i train with who is a genetic freak running his first cycle following your slingshot method!!
It would be great if I ran into you. Just look out for the smallest guy there and it will most likely be me
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