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[Turbogenix]

Wk 1-8 test e 500/week w/50mg dbol ED for first 4wks
Wk 9 & 10 test e 300/wk
Wk 11-18 test e 750/wk 50mg/anadrol ED for first 4wks
Wk 19 & 20 test 400/wk
Wk 21-24 PCT with clomid 100/75/50/50

Is this a good start? I would like to add I'm wini as well as I have exemestane that I could run the entire time if necessary. Please critique Ronnie. Thanks

[djdizzy]

Hey Ron, hope your recovery is going well. Had a couple of questions.

Coming up on the end of my 3rd reload and running 1g test / 600 Deca . I want to start a cut for the next reload and was thinking of running:

500 Test
200 Tren (First time using Tren)
50 Winny (should I split the dose? I have 25mg pills or just take the full 50 at once?)
Possibly 150 Deca should joint issues arise, or do you think I should run it from the start?

Also do I switch up my workouts rep wise? More or less sets or keep it the same? Do I continue for compound movements with the 1x4-6, 2x8-10, 1x12-15 or just stick with the higher rep range (12-15) for straight sets? Keep the rest periods the same or shorten them a little?

Thanks for your time!

[djdizzy]

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Wk 1-8 test e 500/week w/50mg dbol ED for first 4wks (run d-bol for 8 weeks)
Wk 9 & 10 test e 300/wk
Wk 11-18 test e 750/wk 50mg/anadrol ED for first 4wks (run drol for 8 weeks)
Wk 19 & 20 test 400/wk
Wk 21-24 PCT with clomid 100/75/50/50

Is this a good start? Do not run any prohormones or winstrol with d-bol and anadrol as d-bol and anadrol are for bulding as much size as possible. Use winstrol sparingly and for a cutting cycle as it really dries out the joints and can cause permanent damage which is why I recommend using a little deca along with winstrol to help counteract some of the drying out. Prohormones should never be mixed with oral steroids due to putting excess strain on the liver. In fact, I am of the belief that the pro-hormones that actually build less muscle than real steroids are harder on the liver than oral steroids like d-bol that build more muscle. I would like to add I'm wini as well as I have exemestane that I could run the entire time if necessary. Please critique Ronnie. Thanks

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[Turbogenix]

above

Ronnie, thank you for you response. I've experienced sore joints before during other cycles, and feel I am prone to sore joints. Even if I don't use winny would it be a good idea to add deca ? If so when and how much?

as for everything else, do you agree with my dosage on test, dbol , anadrol , and clomid?

[kelkel]

Ronnie, would anything change for a TRT-er interested in experimenting with this protocol? I'm stuck on TRT for life due to a microadenoma and ask as I'm interested in a blast in the spring. Your time is appreciated and I apologize if this was covered. I think my eyes are bleeding from all the pages.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=nekidchickens;5866581]After scouring many different forums and reading all the information that I could soak up on the topic of both weightlifting and AAS I was left confused and with my head spinning from all the different opinions.

Ronnie when I came upon your sticky thread I read it with interest, but all of the citations and explanations that you provide gives me a great deal of confidence with what I read here. There seems to be no dissenting opinion on these boards about your expertise so with that in mind I thought I might post my proposed cycle (my second) and ask your thoughts. THANK YOU!

I lift 4 times per week presently. I am looking solely to gain mass, and my diet is high protein, high fat, low carb while on reload, and higher carb lower protien and fat while on deload.

Day 1 Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 2 Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
Day 3 Alternate Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 4 Alternate Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
I take Friday, Saturday and Sunday as rest days. WAY TOO MUCH VOLUME. DO NO MORE THAN 12 SETS TOTAL PER WEEK FOR EACH BODY PART. ALSO, YOU NEED TO TRAIN LEGS WITH COMPOUND MOVEMENTS TO MAKE YOUR WHOLE BODY GROW. WHEN TRAINING EACH BODY PART TWICE A WEEK IT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 6 SETS TWICE A WEEK.
I do it this way instead of taking rest in between workout days because of the availability of my gym. I plan to use the 8 reload and 2 deload cycle that you describe for both my workouts and my AAS.

Suggestions?

DAY 1 CHEST/ BICEPS
DAY 2 LEGS
DAY 3 OFF
DAY 4 BACK/TRAPS
DAY 5 SHOULDERS/TRICEPS/ABS
DAY 6 OFF
DAY 7 OFF
DAY 8 REPEAT DAY 1
My AAS cycle is as follows;



PHASE 1
8 week reload:
weeks 1-4 d-bol 30mgs per day
Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1mg EOD DECREASE ARIMIDEX TO 025MGS EOD AND DROP IT ALTOGETHER IF YOU ARE NOT PRONE TO GYNO

Weeks 5-8 Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD) KEEP D-BOL IF FOR 8 WEEKS
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

2 week deload:
weeks 9-10 Test Sust 250 at 300 mgs per week


PHASE 2
8 week reload:

weeks 11-18 Test Sust 250 at 750 mgs per week (250 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 400 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 200mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

NOTE: USE D-BOL FOR 2ND 8 WEEK RELOAD ONLY AND USE FOR ENTIRE 8 WEEKS.PHASE 3

4 week PCT:
week 19-23 Clomid 100/80/80/80
Nolva 40/20/20/20

What are your thoughts/critiques? YOU DO NOT NEED NOLVA OR CLOMID. STAY WITH ARIMIDEX SINCE YOU ARE ALREADY USING IT AND ADD HCG TO PCT WHICH IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL,


PS- Get well soon, it seems that you have a great number of people on here who are pulling for your recovery. THANK YOU![/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Yellow;5866856]Get Well Soon, Ron!
God Bless You Always, Brother...[/QUOTE]THANK YOU..THOSE FIRST 6 WEEKS WAS MURDER. I GET TO START LIGHT TRAINING IN 3 WEEKS AND AM BACK TO WORK PART-TIME.

[Ronnie Rowland]

every day in muay thai and boxing classes. It's not weight lifting but there is so much concentration on my legs that i would burn them out if i had a full legs day as well.

no it wont! You must train legs to make your upper body grow because it increases insulin sensitivity which increases the uptake of amino acids by all muscle groups!!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

yes, i won't gain much size to my legs that way. That is true. It is in the hundreds of squats, calf exercizes, repetative kicking and skipping that i get my workout. I am ok with my legs not getting much bigger. I just recognize that i wouldn't be able to survive my workouts if i had heavy legs days. They are pretty burned after my training.

do less sets but still train legs with heavy weight and low reps (8-12 reps). 6 sets for quads and 4 for hamstrings would be a good place to start.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Titan, funny...I experienced the same thing for roughly a week and half on the 100mgs of Var. You think the gram of Tren is to much? Yah the gains have been great, been on point with eating. Still do not have the muscle structure like you have, along with the lower bf...I know it will come in time, considering where ive come in this past 7 months. What are your guys thoughts on say a year of slingshot, should I look at taking 4 weeks off with just a TRT dose or would I need to come off as a whole for a period of time? I would take a 4-6 week break twice a year.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

My gyno was pretty bad all the way in to my second 8 week. This last 8 week cycle it was minimal, thinking has to with reduced bf %.It's not your body fat levels but rather your body getting use to the anabolics. When I first started test my nipples got sore for a few weeks but it went away and no anti-es were ever needed. Anti-es can actually make you more prone to gyno in the future if you do not need them in the first place and they are hard on your body as a whole. Remember, anti-es are an anti-cancer drug which should not be taken lightly! Was on both an AI and 20mgs of Nolvadex/daily, this past cycle no Nolvadex. My hair loss has been minimal until I did Masteron on my second 8 week cycle and it literally stopped growing, lol. Other than that, Tren has not been bad on me. Im running on my 5th month of GH, went up to 8 iu's for two months. Im moving to Finland from the states towards the end of April first of May, not 100% sure exact date. So ive had to cut back to 5 iu's to save some cash.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=The Titan99;5877627]Ha!! I feel like vI'm finally getting a hold on this thing!! That's exactly what I've been doing. Cut all AAS to 500 mg testp/400 mg Npp and 25 mg dbol and made HUGE gains. BP 138/85 all the way through. Switched to a 4 day split, cut sets, dropped weight and REALLY going for the squeeze and perfect form. I don't increase weight till I hit 15 perfect reps and with a 4 day split I take an extra day when I feel like I need it. Switched to 8 sets on Bi's and Tri's and gained an inch and a half on my arms in 8 weeks, 1 inch over all!! I think I was going for overload while cutting hard and that's why I was getting hurt. Yes, you are figuring things out!!!

Great to see you back Ron!! I just had hernia surgery and am back to 250 sust/25 mg Anavar till it heals. The Doc says no lifting for a month. What do you think? 6 weeks then lift moderate then heavy the following week. I think he's thinking of something else when he says lifting. I was thinking of doing 6 weeks off and doing a lot of cardio and dieting down, using the time as kind of a prime... What do you think? You could but dont over do cardio and calorie restriction or serious muscle loss will occur![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

starting my 1st cycle in the next couple of months, going for 3 reloads in all followed by full pct, just getting things in order atm and am about to start writing down my exact plan.
Im going with propionate through the whole 7 months, ive read a lot on people experiences with test and most seem to say propionate is the best if your looking for minimal side effects which i am : ) it's just the opposite! Prop will give you more sides than enanthate because it spkies blood levels more and keeps them off balance. Also, you have to do a lot of painful injections. Go with test-enanthate or test cypionate!.
starting 400 mg a week for the first reload to see how i take the test then for 2nd reload im gonna up it to 600 mgs and throw in some dianabol for the first few weeks, maybe some deca aswell but i might leave that until my 3rd reload although on my 3rd reload im looking to get as lean as possible so maybe decas not the best choice there?? do not add both deca and d-bol to second cycle since tyou are new to this. Both can cause a major decrease in sex drive and when you combine the two it can be very bad for some! Would do d-bol and test second cycle and test/deca third cycle. You can still get cut using deca! i dont wanna do tren because i have mild asthma. i am in total agreement as tren causes the bronchial tubes to close like asthma does and if you already have mild asthma like i do, then tren could kill you if you did not have a rescue inhaler by your side. In fact, youd need to use it before leg training and have it right by your side at all times, even when not training. Tren and asthma can be done but you take a big risk!!!
ill put the prop up to 800 mgs a week for the last reload, also ive been reading a lot on hcg and im seeing so many differing opinions on wether or not to use it throughout the whole cycle, a lot of people say i should but im trying to keep the cycle as basic as possible and i dont wanna start throwing in hcg when its not needed, will i recover ok after 7 months on the gear with a strong pct? Or should i throw in a 2 week pct say on the 2nd deload at week 20? if you want kids i would run 250 of hcg e a week the entire time. At the very least use it for 2 weeks along with each deload and then do a full 4 weekct after a 20 week cycle. Love

many regards for your great work ron thanks

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, thank you for you response. I've experienced sore joints before during other cycles, and feel I am prone to sore joints. Even if I don't use winny would it be a good idea to add deca ? If so when and how much? Start by adding 200 mgs per week. Soem have to go as high as 3-400 to get joint relief. Be warned that you can actually do more damage to your joints while on deca by trying to lift too heavy, using poor form or doing too much volume and then once you discontinue the deca your joints will hurt so bad you canbarely lift anything so keep things strict and do not over do volume.

as for everything else, do you agree with my dosage on test, dbol , anadrol , and clomid? yes I agree and you can get by without using clomid when you run HCG.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, would anything change for a TRT-er interested in experimenting with this protocol? I'm stuck on TRT for life due to a microadenoma and ask as I'm interested in a blast in the spring. Basically you would just stay on hrt and add more anabolics during 8 week reloads then use only your hrt dosages during 2 week deloads. Your time is appreciated and I apologize if this was covered. I think my eyes are bleeding from all the pages.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, hope your recovery is going well. Had a couple of questions.

Coming up on the end of my 3rd reload and running 1g test / 600 Deca . I want to start a cut for the next reload and was thinking of running:

500 Test
200 Tren (First time using Tren)
50 Winny (should I split the dose? I have 25mg pills or just take the full 50 at once?) Either way is fine. I feel it's easier to take all 50 mgs before breakfast. Taking it late in the day may rev you up and cause insomnia.Possibly 150 Deca should joint issues arise, or do you think I should run it from the start?Run it from the start. Once your joints are hurt they takes a long time to heal and if you do a lot of damage they will never be the same.Also do I switch up my workouts rep wise? More or less sets or keep it the same? Do I continue for compound movements with the 1x4-6, 2x8-10, 1x12-15 or just stick with the higher rep range (12-15) for straight sets? Keep the rest periods the same or shorten them a little? Keep reps around 10-15 and volume the same. Most of us will reduce volume by about 1/3 a few weeks before a show but since you are not doing a show keep volume the same. Decreasing rest between sets is not going to help you get cut up. Focus on cardio and especially diet to burn the fat. If you move too fast between sets with higher reps you will lose strength then next will come size.

Thanks for your time!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, i had a question about doing a test / winny stack wondering what you though about the two.. thanks Its good for getting cut but I would add in some deca to protect your joints as winstrol really dries them out.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, how are you getting on with the recovery? I got over hump with acute pain and am now am dealing with chronic pain. I am recoverying well. It's an 18 month recovery period for a 4-level fusion. The nerves have to regenerate and that's why it's so painful!
in your opinion do you think insulin combined with gh offers more in terms of growth than insulin alone dosed higher? Most definetly as insulin and steroids cause hypertrophy (larger muscle cells) and high dosages of GH cause hyperplasia (an increase in muscle cells to make larger) and insulin increases the uptake of amino acids more than anabolics and gh...
in every study ive read on gh and anabolism it is seems a very poor choice but apparently theres is an influx of igf-1 when combined with slin, ive found that systemic/iver produced igf is also insignificant in terms of muscle growth but local igf produced in muscle is important. in your experience have you seen significantly better growth when gh is combined with slin? many ive talked to note leanness but nothing more in terms of growth hwen gh is used with their slin. [B]Combining GH and INSULIN creates a synergistic muscle building environment that neither can produce when used alone. Adding IGF-1 helps as well. When 8ius or more of legit pharm grade GH is used daily, muscle growth will occur. 80% of all GH on the market is fake!!! Check into pharmaceutical grade Ansomone GH from China as MARCUS has suggested many times....[/B]much appreciated

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[Turbogenix]

Ronnie, thank you for you response. I've experienced sore joints before during other cycles , and feel I am prone to sore joints. Even if I don't use winny would it be a good idea to add deca ? If so when and how much?

as for everything else, do you agree with my dosage on test , dbol , anadrol , and clomid ?


Stats: 25, 5'8 185lbs

Wk 1-8 test e. 500/wk
Wk 1-8 anadrol 50mg ED
Wk 1-8 deca 400mg/wk

Wk 9&10 test e. 300/wk

Wk 11-18 test e. 750/wk
Wk 11-18 dbol 50mg ED
Wk 11-18 deca 400 mg/wk

Wk 19&20 test 300/wk

Wk 21-28 test 750/wk
Wk 21-28 winny 30mg ED
WK 21-28 deca 400mg/wk

Wk 29&30 NOTHING---PRIME---

Wk 31-34 Clomid 100/75/75/50
Wk 31-34 HcG 500iu/wk

I have enough Exemestane on hand for when I need it....should I be proactive and take it starting week 1 and follow thru til wk 34?

[slimshady01]

Ronnie .

What do you think about this post from Swifto recently made in regards to AI use?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto


I know your against the use of an AI if you are not gyno prone since one can lose sex drive, hurt joints etc if it gets to low.

But what if for example you have bloodwork done on cycle and your estrogen is 250 with a range of 20-50. Now you get on a small dose of Aromasin or 12.5mg a day and it goes to 70.

The 70 is still higher then normal and would not cause any sexual issues nor would it joint issues but its much better then being 4x the high normal.

Thats kinda my story with bloodwork so i use that for an example.

[Yellow]

Get Well Soon, Ron!
God Bless You Always, Brother...

THANK YOU..THOSE FIRST 6 WEEKS WAS MURDER. I GET TO START LIGHT TRAINING IN 3 WEEKS AND AM BACK TO WORK PART-TIME.

That's great to hear, Brother...

BTW you missed my post in previous page : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...23#post5893123

Really need your help & advice from you regarding my contest-prep..

[Turbogenix]

Ronnie, thank you for you response. I've experienced sore joints before during other cycles , and feel I am prone to sore joints. Even if I don't use winny would it be a good idea to add deca ? If so when and how much?

as for everything else, do you agree with my dosage on test , dbol , anadrol , and clomid ?


Stats: 25, 5'8 185lbs

Wk 1-8 test e. 500/wk
Wk 1-8 anadrol 50mg ED
Wk 1-8 deca 400mg/wk

Wk 9&10 test e. 300/wk

Wk 11-18 test e. 750/wk
Wk 11-18 dbol 50mg ED
Wk 11-18 deca 400 mg/wk

Wk 19&20 test 300/wk

Wk 21-28 test 750/wk
Wk 21-28 winny 30mg ED
WK 21-28 deca 400mg/wk

Wk 29&30 NOTHING---PRIME---

Wk 31-34 Clomid 100/75/75/50
Wk 31-34 HcG 500iu/wk

I have enough Exemestane on hand for when I need it....should I be proactive and take it starting week 1 and follow thru til wk 34?

Ronnie, here are a few questions regarding my above cycle...

Should I do a third reload phase? Or is that too long?
Are my dosages ok for Hcg as PCT?
I have decided to replace deca with EQ at 400/wk...good idea?

Thank you, you have been extremely helpful, I understand your busy and recovering. when you get around to my questions I will greatly appreciate it!

[92277]

I know this might be a dumb question but I read that the more you dose the more likely it is that an undesirable side effect will happen, so side effects are not automatic with use of steroids ? Like acne, gyno, rage ect. ect.

[kisektah1]

Hi Ron,

Stats: 32 y/o 112kg 16% bf. I'm currently on week 15 of my cycle consisting of:

Week:
1-8; prop 500mg pw
1-8: tren e 400mg pw
8-10: prop 250mg pw
10-17; prop 750mg pw
10-15; tren e 600mg pw


I will be starting my pct in two weeks time:

100mg Triptorelin (one day after last test shot)
Nolva 40/40/20/20/10
Clom 50/50/25
Tribulus



If my blood work comes in clear i will start saving up for my next cycle. I really did not like the dramatic side effects of that high of a dose of Test Prop (excessive bloat, excessive crazy hair growth etc..) BTW i have taken Testosterone a few times before but not at that high dose. I'm planning in two to three months time to start my next cycle, i want it to be relatively short (i want to do another reload and deload in the future)


Proposed Cycle
week:
1-11: Test Cyp 225mg pw
1-10: Deca 500mg pw
1-10: Tren E 100mg pw (had some Tren E left over from last cycle)

Pct:
Wk 11:100mg Triptorelin
Wk: 10-11: 2x shots of HCG 2500iu
Wk 13-17: Nolva 40/40/20/20
Wk 13-17: Clom 50/50/25
Wk 13-17 Tribulus.

I'm looking for more of a hardened, lean look and not to gain much muscle + bloat. What do you think about this cycle? Will 300-400mg of B6 Every Day to combat the prolactin build up (from tren and deca)? Will this amount of test (250mg - trt dose) be enough? Will i gain much bloat from this cycle (ps: i might slow down on the carbs this time around)? A lot of people say deca and tren together is not a good combo, but their reasoning is because 'vets say so' (no disrespect intended). I was thinking of just upping the tren dose and forget about the deca but i have not used deca before and i have heard good things about it. BTW i prefer to not use an AI throughout. I also have got [ GHRP-2/CJC 1295 (not dac)/ IGF-1 ] given to me, where can they fit in this cycle? Should i reload/reload for this 11 week cycle??

My current workout is:
Mon: Back/ rear delts.
Tues: Chest/ abs -20 mins cardio
Wed: Legs (ham/quads/calves)/ Traps
Thurs: Shoulders/ Rear Delts
Fri: Bis/Tris
Sat: - 40 mins cardio
Sun: Rest



Thank You for your help RR and sorry about all the questions!!!

[adamjames]

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Ive just recieved 8 weeks worth of propionate yesterday so ill have to go with it now Ron, ill switch to enenthate on my 2nd reload if the sides are too much or the pains too much, ive got 25 gauge needles so maybe ill be ok? Ill take your advice on the dianabol and use it on my second reload and leave the deca till my 3rd reload, would the deca and test be ideal for 3rd reload?? like i said im looking to get ripped and lose any water at that stage, could i throw in an oral like winny or something? what would you recommend?
Ill steer clear of the tren for sure sounds nasty for asthma sufferers.
Funny you should ask because i dont want kids actually, but i do want a sex life still so i think i will run the hcg for my 2 week deloads as you advised and see how that goes, does it cause any excess water retention or any other side effects? Will it hinder my gains at all? Cause if so i might just leave it out until my second deload at 18 weeks in?
Cheers Ron

[ricky23]

thanks for the reply ronnie, 18 months is a long time will you able to go heavy on other bodyparts? but the benefits of having the op done outweigh the negatives and hopefully you recover quicker.
yeah slin and gh comlpement each other well, in your view would the combo of the two and aas at moderate doses work better than slin and aas at higher doses?
i.e 2g test, 10ius slin/gh x3 week or 2g test 600mg tren and 20ius slin x3 week
i know must be difficult to give an answer (probably abit of a silly question as it would be hard to tell!)as both are good options but i think test/gh/slin might be more beneficial in the short and long term but im not sure, both would work out roughly the same money wise i think. would be nice not get tren sweats for a change!

[hellarockstar]

Love the post! Thanks Ronnie!

[sircurl]

Ronnie, currently on my first course- 750mg test e 10 weeks, 40mg dbol 4 weeks. Currently been on 5 weeks. Have no sides atall: no acne, minimal testicular atrophy, not much change in mood, although the dbol suppressed my appetite a fair bit. Is this normal? Does this mean this is a perfect dose, or not enough? It's legit stuff, I can tell by the huge strength increases and increased size/vasculairty, just kind of 'expected' all the stuff you see online happen to me.

I'm planning on doing a cruise for 4-5 weeks when this course is over, with maybe 200mg test e/c a week, and will be doing another 'blast' after that. I was thinking about adding in another compound, and maybe ditching dbol because of the above reason. I can get hold of Tren A/Deca /Equipose/NPP, thinking of either test e/eq, test p/npp, or test p/tren a. Which of these would u suggest, and at what dose? Thanks in advance.

[redmeat1]

was curious if you had any suggestions for someone who's very gyno prone...i'm just coming off a test/deca cycle and will never do that one again ha ha. i know you your not a fan of anit-e's so is there one out there thats effective for gyno prone people that relativly safe? i was using stane at 12.5mgs ed and was still getting gyno so i ran letro at .5mgs ed with prami 2.5mg ed and that kept the gyno at bay. also i was thinking 400mgs test cyp and 400mgs eq for 8 weeks then 2 weeks 250mgs test cyp then 800mgs test cyp with 100mgs of masteron eod for eight weeks...

[meangreen222]

huge bump....thanks Ronnie!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I have a question... I'm a new user and current taking 200ML of depo cyn from my Dr every 2 weeks and I am thinking about adding T400 myself on the in between weeks. What say you?

Adding some t400 would work great. The depo from your doc would keep your homones better balanced if he were to prescribe 200 mgs weekly.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Guys I've been slacking on answering questions because I have been pre-occupied with rehabbing my back and getting back to work. I am feeling much better now. I plan to have all of your questions anwered in the next 7 days..

Thank you for your support,
Ronnie

[Ronnie Rowland]

great to see you back ron ,hopefully you'll be better than ever when you hit training again! After some trials the doc recently switched the settings on my machine from cpap back to its original autopap mode because the results showed i was getn on better with this due to less episodes per night and see how i get on with that for 6 months, everythings perfect but i noticed the last 2 weeks that i seem to be having one sweating episode a night, a few times woken with this den go back to sleep,any ideas? I am tending to sleep a lot more on my side lately than my back but the mask is firmly on with no leaks as ive checked anytime ive woken due to my kids crying/waking in the night etc. Also ive been off 6 months now due to various reasons and yet i still sweat extremely easily , as in if i walk into a heated room ill sweat underneat my arms immediatly and no matter what my feet are sweating everyday with socks on its ridiculous, tren enth was last thing i took with test and it was pretty shit god knows wot was in it

sounds like male menopause too me..how old are you and has your sex drive came back 100 after having gone off the tren?

[lynxeffect1]

sounds like male menopause too me..how old are you and has your sex drive came back 100 after having gone off the tren?

Im only 28 ron ! when i was using tren i was using test aswel of coarse and libido was fine and done a good pct afterwards. my libido since i came off is hard to tell because my gf hadnt long left in her pregnancy around the same time and is only getn her body back to working order herself now , so that on top of taking care of a new born and another child , no job and money worrys ,arguments, etc ... things have been stressfull with a while. but as i said wots annoying me is just the sweating all the time still, its a joke, a pair of socks if too much heat for me and i sweat threw onto my shoes and same if i out on jumper or jacket , very annoying. its not as bad as before i got cpap and stoped tren but at this stage it shud be well gone , esp with losing a ton water weight which i think was the main reason i got sleep apnea because i now know upping my test dosages all the time without using masteron or hgh or anti e was making me look like shit and causing all the water retention, dont think id have got sleep apnea at all only for this, next time gonna get lean ,stay lean and grow lean.

[BryanS1987]

When you say on the reload use more Anabolics, Protien and Training if this is the method your advising for greater gains etc is there a limit to how much Anabolics you should take every time you stop start this method if your advising to use more There must be some sort of limit to how much your body can take. Also Do you need to up your Anabolics intake on the next cycle to gain more, What i mean is if you where to train without the use of Anabolics and go natural you lift more weight as your muscles and strength grow, So what im getting to is.. If you can gain muscle and strength naturaly why would you need to keep adding more anabolics. If i take what i had taken on my first cycle would my body not continue to grow as i build up strength and the aid of the Anabolics/Supplements etc like you would if you trained without the aid of Anabolics?

P.s Im still learning so be easy on me lol.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron,
i miss you brother...
It's nice to see you getting better & better!

I'm have finished deload phase with 1,5ml sustanon 250 per week (375mg per week).
I'm at 9-10% bodyfat at the present.

Now i am doing 10 weeks contest-prep cycle (contest day is going to be at the last day of week 10 (sunday morning until afternoon)).

Week 1-4 (first 4 weeks) : 10mg m1t (as i still have enough leftover tabs of m1t)
week 1-10 : 500mg sustanon per week for week 1-7, then reduce to 250mg per week for the last 3 weeks do not use sustanon for last 4 weeks of contest prep because it has too long of a half life. Go with test enanthate and stop altogether 3 weeks out from show. You could use test prop up until a week out.week 1-10 : 300mg trenbolone enanthate per week increase tren-e to 600 mgs 4 weeks out from show
week 5-10 (last 6 weeks) : 50mg oral winny for 3 weeks, then double dose to 100mg for the last 3 weeks looks goodwhat do you think of my contest-prep cycle plan?

Regarding trenbolone, i decided to use enanthate version rather than acetate (as you recommended in this thread).
It shouldn't be different than acetate in term of its strength & effect, should it? no, just less side efects for some and fewer injections because so many people including dave palumbo prefer fast acting trenbolone (acetate) since it would yield better results, greater hardening effects & fat loss. tren is tren just as test is test. Dave is mistaken on this topic!

the testosterone i use is sustanon 250, it should be no problem to use for contest-prep, shouldn't it? do not use last 4 weeks. Switch over to test prop.i wouldn't buy another test e since i have already had hundreds ampoules of original organon (pharma grade) sustanon 250 and it's definitely authentic & legit (not fake).
Do i need to switch the sustanon to short ester test like test prop for the last 4-5 weeks? yes! since i have 3 vials of test prop at 100mg/ml.
If yes, i wanna dose them 100mg eod until the show day. 1 1/ 2 ccs eod until 7-10 out. what do you think of this? Or stay on sustanon could do the good job in contest-prep cycle? no, you will hold water!
what's your opinion on anti-estrogen (femara/letrozole ) for the last 2-3 weeks of contest-prep? letro is best.how to dose them correctly without getting too much sides like zero sex drive, dry joints, crashed lipid profile, since i have already incorporated oral winny into last 6 weeks of cycle?
I know that letrozole is very strong aromatase inhibitor and many people use low dose with great effects.
I am planning 1/4 tab femara eod for last 3 weeks, is this enough to enhace dryness without too much sides? you need 1 tab of letro daily last 2 weeks and theres no way of getting rid of negative side effects those last 4 weeks before a show!
for fat burner, as per you recommended, i would use 2 weeks on / 1 week off.
Here is my plan :
80mcg clen per day for week 1 & 2 then off for 1 week.
Then switch to eca (25mg ephedrine & 200mg caffeine 2-3 times per day) for week 4 & 5 then off for 1 week. no do not switch to eca. Clen and eca hit shut down the same receptors and eca is more dangerous imo. Stay with clen 2 weeks on/1 weeks off and make sure you stay on the last week of the show or cortisol levels may rise and cause you to hold water. then back to 80mcg clen per day for week 7 & 8 then off for 1 week.
Then eca again (25mg ephedrine & 200mg caffeine 2-3 times per day) for week 10
(i alternate clen to eca usage because to save my clen on my limited budget (only have 90tabs of 40mcg clen) since i still have many ephedrine hcl tabs & caffeine tabs)
what do you think of this? It shouldn't be no problem, right? you can do it but you take a chance using ecai am thinking of doing do low-dose of diuretic because i wanna stay on test until the show day. no! Dont do it! Diurectics can cause kidney failure and you do not want to eliminate all water but you do want to control water intake. Taking out all water will cause you to go flat just as taking out salt will give you a puffy wet look. Since dropping test 2-3 weeks prior to show have always made me look flat on stage. you were flat due to a lack of water and salt not becaue you took out test. A diurectic will flatten you oout, even if you are using test!on saturday (last day before the contest day), i'm gonna use 1/2 tab of 25mg hydrochlorothiazide at noon then 1/2 tab at night.
Another 1/2 tab is going to be taken after the first meal of the contest day. (the total is only one and a half tabs of 25mg hydrochlorothiazide)
what is your opinion about this? no! Go into the show using letro, winstrol and tren-e and you will be hard. It's been my experience that a lot of people make the mistake of cutting out all water and dehydrating themselves along with eliminating salt and really mess up their conditioning.

regarding water intake, i would continue taking lots of water until thursday, then reduce water intake to half on friday, then no water after 1pm on saturday.
Do i cut water too fast / to early? Because my contest is going to be on sunday morning (about 10am). cut off water at bedtime and sip only tiny amounts the next day as needed to fill out. When you drop water in half the day before your body revolts by holding water and never reduce salt. Keep it the same so you come in hard with a pump!
same here for sodium intake, i don't do any sodium loading or depleting.
I just take normal sodium until thursday, then restrict sodium (but not eliminate all) on friday & saturday. no! Do not reuduce salt intake!on contest day (sunday), i would take carb/fat/sodium meal for the first meal to get full & hard. yes on this!
as for carb intake,
i am going to do low carb (0.5gram per pound of bodyweight) for sunday until thurday while keeping protein still high (1.5gram per pound of bodyweight) and keeping fat the same. Carb up hard 4 days before the show. I do it on monday night and all day tuesday before a saturday show. Then go back to the diet that you had used prior to get cut and drink a lot of water so the bloat leaves you. Do a moderate fat/ carb load the night before the prejudging and morning of pre-judging and then again before night show. Control water intake but do not dehydrate yourself.
My last legs training will be on saturday and my last cardio session will be on sunday (a week before show day).
Glycogen depletion training will be done on monday-thursday with the split like this : never do a glycogen depletion through food but you can do depletion workouts on fri, sat, sun mon, by using high reps like drop sets. No cardio for 5-47 days before the show and no working out 3-4 days before a show
monday : Delts + traps + abs
tuesday : Backs
wednesday : Chest + forearms
thursday : Biceps + triceps + abs
friday : Off training / carb-loading
saturday : Off training / carb-loading
sunday : Contest day

need advice from pros like you, ron..
I want to be looking full, hard, ripped & shredded on stage..

I apologize for lots of questions, ron...
Any advice & help would be greatly appreciated..
Thanks a lot brother...
God bless you always...

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[rockstah69]

I just happened to stumble on this post by chance! And I am thrilled I did!! I just began my first blast this week! I was told about Blasting and Cruising for constant gains but didn't know much, I needed more proof and WOW....SO GLAD I found this post!

Kudos to Ronnie, much Respect!

[rockstah69]

Ron, I am 36 years old and have low Test, been on Test Cyp of 100mg/wk for a few months now and have made significant gains, feeling good too. I was recommended by a pro BB to do a blast and cruise. I began my first blast of Test Cyp this week which I will run for 6 weeks and then deload another 6 weeks but you state only 2 weeks. However, during the deload 6 weeks I will cruise at 100mg, will that still cause a downgrade in my receptors?

Also Ronnie, get well soon and God Bless You Brother!

[Yellow]

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Wow...
That's awesome, ron..

You recommend taking 1tab of letro daily for the last 2 weeks of show, How do you solve estrogen rebound after cessation of letro usage?
Some say to incorporate test for 2 weeks post show to avoid estrogen rebound, while some say to taper down the letro dosage and use nolva 20mg for 3-4 weeks after stopping the letro. Which one is right?

Regarding Trenbolone , is it true that trenbolone is harsh on liver & kidney?
Many people get dark urine & renal panel elevated while on trenbolone.
They over and over accuse trenbolone for getting kidney failure.
What's your opinion on this, ron?