My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[Mezz]

Anyone can get big, Mezz. It doesnt mean he is healthy. Far from it if you ask me. He and his coach are stuck in the 70's and they won't change their ways. Have you ever noticed that they never, ever, not once answer any questions with any intelligent dialogue? No real explanations. Just street talk. These guys really and truly have no clue how the male endocrine system works. Both of them are quite an embarrassment to the community.
I know a lot of people look up to "big guys", but that doesn't mean they are healthy and/or smart. Certainly not the case with Piana.

This question may be off topic but you got me thinking about other "big guys", do you believe you can take the amount of drugs IFBB pro bodybuilders have to take in order to be competitive and still be healthy taking these kinds of dosages? I'm sure it varies from person to person but if you had to guess would anyone on the Olympia stage today be considered a healthy athlete? thanks

[austinite]

This question may be off topic but you got me thinking about other "big guys", do you believe you can take the amount of drugs IFBB pro bodybuilders have to take in order to be competitive and still be healthy taking these kinds of dosages? I'm sure it varies from person to person but if you had to guess would anyone on the Olympia stage today be considered a healthy athlete? thanks

It's hard to say but honestly, I don't think so. Many of these guys die young for this day and age. But that's a completely different topic. My problem with Piana is that he is advising people. Not everyone will become a pro, and not everyone wants to be a pro. But kids follow because he's big.

If anyone plans on using as much as the pros do, then I'd forget about using hCG , PCT or anything else. Crash city. You'd need to stay on for extended periods and cruise at high doses.

No more off topic questions in this thread please.

Thanks.

[Mezz]

It's hard to say but honestly, I don't think so. Many of these guys die young for this day and age. But that's a completely different topic. My problem with Piana is that he is advising people. Not everyone will become a pro, and not everyone wants to be a pro. But kids follow because he's big.

If anyone plans on using as much as the pros do, then I'd forget about using hCG , PCT or anything else. Crash city. You'd need to stay on for extended periods and cruise at high doses.

No more off topic questions in this thread please.

Thanks.

I will be following guys like Ronnie Coleman and Dorian Yates over the coming years to see how their health holds up as I believe they were apart of the early stages of the dosages used today for IFBB bodybuilders. Thank you very much, I appreciate your honest responses.

[pumping_iron86]

Two weeks before I was gonna start my first test 500 mg cycle and I injured my arm bucked off a ga dang mare this weekend. Excruciating pain on training. Just gonna focus on legs only I reckon, only thing that don't hurt to train....

[Mezz]

Two weeks before I was gonna start my first test 500 mg cycle and I injured my arm bucked off a ga dang mare this weekend. Excruciating pain on training. Just gonna focus on legs only I reckon, only thing that don't hurt to train....

Perhaps thats a sign?

[Pobutt]

Excellent info!

[samlemon]

I just want to take a moment and say that you for this thread. I just started the cycle yesterday and i am looking forward for results.

[kelkel]

No more off topic questions in this thread please.

But, but, but....damn.

[austinite]

But, but, but....damn.

Only for you.... I will make an exception

[Nemlack]

Sorry started another thread.

[Khazima]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post but I didn't wanna make a new thread. Basically I'm starting my first cycle soon of just test e 500mg a week probably pin mon/thurs. With PCT as clomid/nolva and clomid on hand incase of early signs of gyno etc.

My question is what should I add for cortisol control, is it completely necessary and is hcg necessary? Also any advice would be appreciated.

[pumping_iron86]

Haha ya probably Mezz...

[pumping_iron86]

Hey Austin can I run Clen while on this cycle to minimize adipose during bulk or is that a bad idea? Thanks

[austinite]

Hey Austin can I run Clen while on this cycle to minimize adipose during bulk or is that a bad idea? Thanks

I would avoid it if it's your first cycle. Otherwise it shouldn't be an issue. Personally I think that there are much much better options than clen , but that's a topic for another thread.

[pumping_iron86]

I would avoid it if it's your first cycle. Otherwise it shouldn't be an issue. Personally I think that there are much much better options than clen, but that's a topic for another thread.

Geez, that last sentence really struck my curiosity... I'm gonna start a thread that entitled, "Austinite can you pleeease elaborate" jk Thank you for the reply as always!

Off thread topic forgive me please. But under what category might I research these better options to cut down on adipose during cycle?

[austinite]

Supplements.

[pumping_iron86]

Cool thanks

[ocman]

What are your thoughts about doing a "pre-cycle", something like 7 or 8 week cycle at say, 300-350mg of test, then a full cycle of 12 weeks 500mg like you suggest?

peace

[austinite]

What are your thoughts about doing a "pre-cycle", something like 7 or 8 week cycle at say, 300-350mg of test, then a full cycle of 12 weeks 500mg like you suggest?

peace

I don't know what a pre-cycle is. That would be a cycle, and I don't recommend it.

[ocman]

Fair enough...that was close to a cycle that llewellyn recommended years back.

thanks!

[DrewZ]

When pinning Test Cyp Sunday AM, Wednesday PM, and HCG about 24hour prior to Test injections.

How long after these injections would be the best time to get your mid-cycle bloodwork?

Thanks,
D

[Natureboy14]

What's up folks? My wife walked past me the other day and hit me in the stomach and asked "where's the 6-pack at?". I used to play ball in college and it kind of sucks to be getting older so I've decided to try to look like I did when I was 22 one more time.

My current height and weight as of yesterday were 5'-11 1/4" without shoes
209.8 lbs at 10.4% body fat
Current bench as of yesterday is 365(2 reps)
Current squat is 525 (all I do because of lumbar issues)

I stayed away from anabolics in college due to testing but any buddies won't leave me alone about it so I'm going to try my first cycle. I'm nervous about it to start off so I don't want to stack due to not being sure about side effects. This is what I plan to do. If anybody has any input it would be greatly appreciated. What should happen running the below setup as a first cycle?

10-12 week cycle
Sustanon 250 by Steel Gear - 1000mgs 1st week front load
500mgs sustanon 250 weeks 2-7
250-500mgs sustanon 250/225-450mgs of Rip Blend by Steel Gear weeks 8-12

What do you guys think for a first and probably only cycle?

[ocman]

Well, you should try reading the entire first post in this thread, you have a ton of reading to do!

Then start a new thread, something like critique my cycle and go from there.

peace

[ocman]

What if you get really bad acne from Nolvadex & Clomid?

Should you have anything else on hand just in case?

thanks

[Natureboy14]

Well, you should try reading the entire first post in this thread, you have a ton of reading to do!

Then start a new thread, something like critique my cycle and go from there.

peace

This is me now. I've been researching for the better part of a decade now and am kind of researched out. I have some buddies who are heavy gear guys and some who cycle once or twice every few years or so. I was thinking of trying the ladder if I liked it and just wanted different opinions vs theirs.

I've been reading this forum for about a year by recommendation and finally signed up. I'm not looking to get big, just gain 3-5 solid pounds while leaning up. I was personally thinking of only running sust. at 500mgs/wk for 10-12 weeks depending on how it goes? I have all the necessary auxiliary gear for side effect and PCT's readily available.

[Unknownn]

Hey Aust,

Im just finishing week5 of a tesst(e) cyc, and Im having problems getting it up which just started this week.
I plan on getting blloodwork this upcoming week, I know without it nobody can for sure tell me whats wrong, but maybe you can give your thoughts.

500m'g tesst/ week ( 250 m'g every 3.5 days)
250i'u H'C'G every 3.5 days
6.25m'g. aromsin every day

I was doing6.25m'g aromsin every second day first 2 weeks but was getting accne so started 6.25 every day. and accne cleared up.

No signs of gyyno. Also naturally very lean.

Please share your thoughts. I will update with bloodwork asap.

(I know I spelt things like a downy. I had to because of the ridiculous filters on this site)

[austinite]

6.25mg. aromsin every day is too low. You need 4 times that much at minimum daily.

[anthg89]

Hey aust could you help me out with this cycle please.

im 25
5'8 tall
160 pounds/ 73 kilos
11% body fat
looking to get to 85 kilos

This is what is in the test 500 stack

Each ML Contains:
125mg Trembolone Enanthate , 125mg Drostanolone Enanthate, 125mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate, 125mg Testosterone Decanoate, 20% v/v Benzyl Bensoate, 5.0% v/v Benzyl Alcohol, Q.S. Grape Seed Oil


week 1-10 1ml of test stack 500 1ml every 5 days
week 1-4 Anadrol 50mg everyday
week 1-12 Arimidex 25mg everyday
week 5-10 HCG 1000UI a week

PCT:
week 1-4 Clomid 75mg/50/50/50
week 1-4 Nolvadex 40mg/20/20/20

[austinite]

^ This thread is for first cycles, anthg. First cycles, as outlined should be Test only in my opinion. If you want to vary from my recommendation, or if this is not your first cycle, please start a new thread.

Good luck.

[ricardo69]

New to the forum and glad I happened upon this post. Great info and very in depth. Us rookies appreciate the advice!

[Jmac603]

That was very informative. Thank you. As someone who becomes OCD and tends to rush/go all in too soon, it will be of great benefit to have such a detailed resource. Thanks again.

J

[ronoznofing]

Where were you in all my bio / chem classes!? You have a gift for teaching, thank you. Point of confusion... I think I understood but I want to be sure.... Wait time, if your FULL cycle,wait and PCTtook 18 weeks you should wait an additional 18 weeks for another round, right? Not just wait until you're done with PCT?

[austinite]

Where were you in all my bio / chem classes!? You have a gift for teaching, thank you. Point of confusion... I think I understood but I want to be sure.... Wait time, if your FULL cycle,wait and PCTtook 18 weeks you should wait an additional 18 weeks for another round, right? Not just wait until you're done with PCT?

Hi there. Can you please rephrase what you said above in bold?

[RealQuick]

austinite

I have started the cycle and i am on week 3, done 9 injections 300mg of each.. total 600mg a week

I still didnt see any results

my blood work pre cycle was
Testosterone , Total: 8.8 6.1-27.1 nmol/L
Testosterone, Free: 17.0 Flag L 30.8-147.3 pmol/L
Estradiol: 96 73-275 pmol/L
Ferritin: 104.7 24-336 ng/mL

diet is okay 500 cal above maintaince 50C/30P/20F macros
training is good 6 days a week

whats wrong do i need to up the test dose ? i feel like i need to up the dose because i am already low on testosterone...!! need help

[austinite]

3 weeks is nothing. Nothing at all. Give it more time. I don't see anything until week 8. Most experience gains around week 5 and 6. Upping the dose is a terrible idea.

Good luck and be patient.

[RealQuick]

3 weeks is nothing. Nothing at all. Give it more time. I don't see anything until week 8. Most experience gains around week 5 and 6. Upping the dose is a terrible idea.

Good luck and be patient.

Thanks Sure I will!!

Whos on your avatar? is she your gf?

[Joco71]

Thank you!! Your articles have been so helpful to me. I've learned a ton from reading them. I didn't realize how ignorant I was before reading them. Thanks for taking the time to post them.

[Bill the Butcher]

I appreciate the detailed post and will likely refer back to it several time in the near future. Newbie in training here.

[prosp09]

I have a quick question about the supplement of N-Acetyl Cysteine. I m supposed to take it first day of my cycle till the last of my pct right?
By the way this post was the best post about First cycle. Thanks a lot!!!

[austinite]

I have a quick question about the supplement of N-Acetyl Cysteine. I m supposed to take it first day of my cycle till the last of my pct right?
By the way this post was the best post about First cycle. Thanks a lot!!!

Yes, from day one till PCT ends. I never come off NAC, ever. On or off cycle.