You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Well my somatotype is kind of hard to define - i seem to be ecto ,but not the lean one This means you are a hard gainer. [B]The best drug combo for such a body type is is test/tren/masteron/ GH and an occasional oral to help you gain additonal strength but the first four injectable anabolics mentioned are key to gaining additional lean mass without carrying as much bodyfat.. when i go over 300 gr of carbs i start putting on fat on my belly, I store fat mostly at the waist area as well as the lower chest area while my legs stay extremely lean all the time. It`s hard to put some size on and extremely easy to lose it (except for the legs). You should not bulk up but rather eat clean, train hard and work on gaining lean mass at a slow pace. 4 days per week of training is perfect! I have a very similar somatotype as you..[/B]

What i`m thinkig of ,for the upcoming Reload, is having for consecutive protein/casbs meals as the last one will be my pre-workout meal ( i`m always hungry during the day). Then just a protein shake immediately post-workout and a solid meal (fish, walnuts, salad) an hour later as this will be pretty much my last meal for the day. Do you think not having carbs postworkout will disrupt my lean muscle growth? I feel you shoul dhave a few carbs post workout if you are trying to gain mass. A medium sized apple would be a good choice. Very important quesiton. Regardless of what you take, how you train or what you eat, you will never become as big and lean as your counterparts who are mesomorphic. Take in 1.5 grams of protein per gram of body weight. You may have to reduce carbs to 200-250 per day if you begin to gain too much body fat. You can still get a good body but like many of us you do not have the genetics to excel in bodybuilding. You will have to work hard and consistent to make noticeable improvements.
Thanks

above

[alex.mitev]

above

Thanks!
I just concluded that having less than 200 gr of carbs daily makes me extremly week, flat and overall feeling like sh*t. I set my protein at nearly 300 gr (my lean bodymass is 170 lb), carbs at 250 and fats are aprox 50 gr.

having in mind i just finished my 8 week cycle (reload) looking like:

1-8 test prop 400 mg
1-7 stanozolol 50 mg daily
6-8 tren acetat 40 mg ED
1-8 proviron 50 mg daily

and we talked about second reload looking like this
9-10 deload 250 mg test enantat
11-18 test enantat 750 mg weekly
11-18 boldenon 600 mg weekly
19-20 deload 250 mg test
PCT starts week 23 - is that correct?

SHould i consider exchanging boldenone with tren or leave it like this for lean gains? ( i reckon it`d be too long to remain on tren)?

[slimshady01]

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[CaMeLoT]

Ronnie,

One month ago my stack included 20 mg of Stanozolol ED and 50mg of Winstrol EOD. Here is stats of my liver enzymes/cholosterol after 3 weeks:

1. LDH (Lactate dehydrogenase): 262 (135 - 225)
2. CPK (Creatine kinase): 1242 (38 - 174)
3. AST (Aspartate Aminotransferase): 60 (<40)
4. ALT (Alanine Aminotransferase): 46 (<31)
5. GGT (Gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase): 10 (6 - 42)
6. Cholesterol: 2.25 (<5.2)
7. HDL: 0.57 (1.15 - 1.68)
8. LDL: 1.46 (2.59 - 4.14)
9. VLDL: 0.23 (0.26 - 1.0)


Is it wise to include Tren to my current cycle (Test E 500mg. EW) with these enzymes/cholosterol levels, or should I normalize them beforehand?

[VASCULAR VINCE]

bigron...you are right again....one of my workout partners.. was only capable of 6 sets of shoulder presses.....wihtout shoulder pain.. ...8 was too much..!!!!!!.what percentage overhead press build side delts vs front??? why so many people.. say lateral raises are a must to get capped delts??????

[Ronnie Rowland]

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Should one build off shoulder presses for cannonball deltoids then use isolation movements such as front and side dumbbell raises sparingly?

Absolutely! I dont recommend that you do direct exercise for your front delts, especially if you are doing incline presses for chest and over head shouldeer presses. It's best to avoid training chest and shoulders within two days of each other as well.

Side lateral raises are often said to be the king for building side delts, but the real king is the over head shoulder press done in good form. They also nail the front delts. Exercises like front raises are a waste of time IMO! Side lateral raises are good for isolating the side delts but not as good for building huge side shoulders as presses. Over head presses for the shoulders are what squats are for the legs. Side lateral raises for the shoulders are what leg extensions are for the quads. Reverse cable flyes are needed to balanace out the rear delts.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Live for the PUMP;6105196]Wow! What a read! This makes a lot of sense. I guess I need to incorporate a de-load in my routine![/QUOTE]Thank you! At first it can be mentally hard to do a deload but it's certainly needed if you train hard like you should be during the reloads. You will come back refreshed, stronger, get better pumps and get sore without having to over-train to make it happen.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=bigp87;6106157]Hey Ronnie, great thread!

I consider myself a Endomorph body type, can gain bodyfat fairly easy etc.

I'm weighing around 200LBS at the moment, 5"7, 25 years old with bodyfat at around 16% i'd estimate. I am currently on cutting cycle consiting of sus & Tren , and used dbol for kickstart.

I'm considering doing a 20 week slingshot cycle as you have outlined. I have done fair few cycles in the past, and I don't feel many side effects however the gear is 100%. I am quite tolerant to most drugs I would say...

I want a pure out lean mass cycle, with maximum muscle gained as possible.., what do do you think of the following for someone with my stats.

The highest mg cycle so far i have ran is Test E @ 750mg, Deca @400mg, DBOL @ 40mg ed.

Week 1-8: Test E - 500mg - 750mg ??
Week 1-8: Deca - 400mg
week 1-8: Dbol - 25mg - 30mg (can I run higher?)

Week 9-10: Test E - 250mg

Week 11-18: Test E - 1000mg
Week 11-18: Deca - 500mg or Tren E - 400mg ?
Week 11-18: Dbol - 50mg ED

Week 19-20 Test E 250mg

Week 21-24: Nolva 20/20/20/20
Week 21-24 Clomid 50/50/50/50

Would these dosages be alright? Or should I up them further.
Should I replace the deca with tren for the full 20 weeks?

Thanks a lot appreciate it.[/QUOTE]DECA, TEST AND D-BOL IS A BETTER CHOICE FOR ECTOMORPHS! SINCE YOU ARE AN ENDOMORPH I WOULD FOCUS PRIMARILY ON TEST/TREN/MASTERON! THROW IN 40 MGS OF ANAVAR OR T-BOL DAILY FOR EXTRA STRENGTH GAINS. SET UP A CYCLE USING THESE COMPOUNDS AND POST IT SO I CAN CRITIQUE IT FOR YOU!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=alex.mitev;6108929]Thanks!
I just concluded that having less than 200 gr of carbs daily makes me extremly week, flat and overall feeling like sh*t. I set my protein at nearly 300 gr (my lean bodymass is 170 lb), carbs at 250 and fats are aprox 50 gr. Then don't go lower than 250 carbs per day. I am the same exact way!

having in mind i just finished my 8 week cycle (reload) looking like:

1-8 test prop 400 mg
1-7 stanozolol 50 mg daily
6-8 tren acetat 40 mg ED
1-8 proviron 50 mg daily

and we talked about second reload looking like this
9-10 deload 250 mg test enantat
11-18 test enantat 750 mg weekly
11-18 boldenon 600 mg weekly
19-20 deload 250 mg test
PCT starts week 23 - is that correct? This is correct and if you added 1CC OF TREN per day to this test/eq cycle it would be much more effective!

SHould i consider exchanging boldenone with tren or leave it like this for lean gains? ( i reckon it`d be too long to remain on tren)?You can run tren along time just like test. In fact, they have discovered that the combination of these two drugs would work well for long term TRT! ADD THE TREN! Here's an article that helps explain- "The use of the anabolic steroid trenbolone has a long history in the bodybuilding but it has never really been considered a steroid suitable for therapeutic use in medicine. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved tren for use in humans. The media has often demonized it as a dangerous veterinarian steroid never intended for human use. However, the perception of trenbolone may soon change with the publication of a favorable study in a major scientific journal.


Joshua Yarrow and his colleagues at the University of Florida feel that trenbolone may be a viable alternative to testosterone for androgen replacement therapy. They are set to publish their study results in the February 2011 issue of the American Journal of Physiology – Endocrinology and Metabolism.

The researchers report that trenbolone enanthate may have certain advantages over testosterone that may make it an appealing treatment option for some individuals. Bodybuilders may be familiar with many of these findings.

Trenbolone is not adversely affected by the aromatase or 5-alpha reductase enzymes that metabolize testosterone into estradiol and dihydrotestosterone, respectively. Bodybuilders have enjoyed tren for years precisely because they are able to avoid steroid side effects related to estrogen and DHT.

Yarrow reports that low-dose trenbolone enanthate effectively produces anabolic effects in muscle size and partially maintains bone mineral density without causing prostate enlargement or polycythemia in castrated laboratory rats.

Supraphysiological dosages of testosterone enanthate were required to produce anabolic effects similar to low-dose trenbolone administration. However, negative side effects of prostate enlargement and elevated hemoglobin became problematic at this dose of testosterone.

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs ) may be the current darlings of scientific research into alternative options for androgen replacement therapy, but University of Florida researchers are excited by the “SARM-like potential” of trenbolone.

They suggest that the actions of trenbolone are similar to selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs). Low-dose trenbolone is called “SARM-like” because of the positive anabolic effects in muscle and bone without negative side androgenic side effects of prostate enlargement or polycythemia.

Trenbolone may have benefits over testosterone in terms of androgen receptor activation, the upregulation of growth factors such as IGF-1 and fibroblast growth factor, and anticatabolic mechanisms.

Competitive bodybuilders have often preferred using trenbolone in the weeks prior to a bodybuilding competition due to its purported effects at accelerating fat loss.

The current study confirmed that trenbolone has more potent lipolytic effects on visceral adipose tissue than testosterone milligram per milligram. Furthermore, visceral fat loss increased in a dose-dependent manner with trenbolone. In other words, the more tren used, the greater the fat loss.

Trenbolone’s lack of aromatization, while generally desirable, has often been problematic for bodybuilders who have used trenbolone as the only steroid in a cycle. Therefore, most bodybuilders include an aromatizable steroid such as testosterone or Dianabol in their trenbolone steroid stacks.

Researchers also recognize that the lack of aromatization could be a potential problem if trenbolone is used alone in androgen replacement therapy. In their study, trenbolone only provided a partial bone protective effect when administered to castrated rats. The authors attribute this to the non-aromatizable nature of trenbolone.

They conclude that low-dose trenbolone enanthate treatment has SARM-like effects on muscle/fat body composition. Androgen replacement therapy with low-dose trenbolone could potentially produce anabolic gains comparable to supraphysiological testosterone treatment without the associated side effects. The therapeutic risk-benefit profile of low-dose trenbolone appears superior to supraphysiological testosterone treatment; however, additional research into this treatment option is necessary.

The researchers should be applauded for dispassionately and objectively researching the potential of trenbolone in androgen replacement therapy. Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid that has been demonized more than others due to its limited use (in pellet implants used by veterinarians to increase muscle growth in livestock). Fortunately, they looked past the political stigma associated with trenbolone to revisit a therapeutic use for an old steroid.

Special thanks to Michael Scally, M.D. for his diligence in staying on top of anabolic steroid medical research and sharing this study with MESO-Rx.

Yarrow JF et. al. 7{beta}-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (Trenbolone) Exhibits Tissue Selective Anabolic Activity: Effects on Muscle, Bone, Adiposity, Hemoglobin, and Prostate. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Jan 25. [Epub ahead of print"][ /QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=CaMeLoT;6110017]Ronnie,

One month ago my stack included 20 mg of Stanozolol ED and 50mg of Winstrol EOD. Here is stats of my liver enzymes/cholosterol after 3 weeks:

1. LDH (Lactate dehydrogenase): 262 (135 - 225)
2. CPK (Creatine kinase): 1242 (38 - 174)
3. AST (Aspartate Aminotransferase): 60 (<40)
4. ALT (Alanine Aminotransferase): 46 (<31)
5. GGT (Gamma-glutamyl transpeptidase): 10 (6 - 42)
6. Cholesterol: 2.25 (<5.2)
7. HDL: 0.57 (1.15 - 1.68)
8. LDL: 1.46 (2.59 - 4.14)
9. VLDL: 0.23 (0.26 - 1.0)


Is it wise to include Tren to my current cycle (Test E 500mg. EW) with these enzymes/cholosterol levels, or should I normalize them beforehand? It's the winstrol increasing your liver enzymes and cholesterol levels. Adding tren would be a great option! /QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

bigron...you are right again....one of my workout partners.. was only capable of 6 sets of shoulder presses.....wihtout shoulder pain.. ...8 was too much..!!!!!!. i was afraid of that! what percentage overhead press build side delts vs front??? around 60% front delts and 40% side delts. why so many people.. say lateral raises are a must to get capped delts?????? It's because lateral raises work only the side delts and do in fact help add a capped look but lateral raise are not the best exercise for geting capped delts on the side. The best overall exercise to build the side delts is the shoulder press. Many great shoulders were built by using shouder presses alone. Work up to pressing a lot of weight in perfect form using a moderatedly wide grip, and your shoulders will become massive boulders. I prefer a hammer strength machine to help take the strain off the rotator cuffs and I do not allow my hands to go below my earlobes. Dumbell presses are great for people with healthy shoulders! Lateral raises come in second place for building the capped looked. Genetics plays the biggest role and anabolics help a lot as well in how much cap you can build.

above

[slimshady01]

Hey Ronnie just reposing one you missed..

You put together my cycle under my circumstances i have... Here it is again .


weeks 1-8
Test 500
Tbol 75mg

Weeks 11 -18

Test 400
Deca 400
EQ 400.

Question 1..
Can i up the EQ to 600? I have 300mg EQ in 1cc so it would be easier to measure or is there a reason to stay lower.


Also starting my prime 2 weeks out right now.

AS far as training I reread your post and it looks like 4-6 sets per body part at 12-15 reps stop few sets before failure?

Just making sure cus normally you dont go so many sets but at a higher rep range with lighter weight maybe its ok?


I also deceded to go very low carbs for this prime and higher fat for a better insulin response once i bulk Aug 27th.

I will have a small refeed meal every 3rd day to refill some what.

Thanks Ronnie.

[RANA]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6111552]

Thanks!
I just concluded that having less than 200 gr of carbs daily makes me extremly week, flat and overall feeling like sh*t. I set my protein at nearly 300 gr (my lean bodymass is 170 lb), carbs at 250 and fats are aprox 50 gr. Then don't go lower than 250 carbs per day. I am the same exact way!

having in mind i just finished my 8 week cycle (reload) looking like:

1-8 test prop 400 mg
1-7 stanozolol 50 mg daily
6-8 tren acetat 40 mg ED
1-8 proviron 50 mg daily

and we talked about second reload looking like this
9-10 deload 250 mg test enantat
11-18 test enantat 750 mg weekly
11-18 boldenon 600 mg weekly
19-20 deload 250 mg test
PCT starts week 23 - is that correct? This is correct and if you added 1CC OF TREN per day to this test/eq cycle it would be much more effective!

SHould i consider exchanging boldenone with tren or leave it like this for lean gains? ( i reckon it`d be too long to remain on tren)?You can run tren along time just like test. In fact, they have discovered that the combination of these two drugs would work well for long term TRT! ADD THE TREN! Here's an article that helps explain- "The use of the anabolic steroid trenbolone has a long history in the bodybuilding but it has never really been considered a steroid suitable for therapeutic use in medicine. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved tren for use in humans. The media has often demonized it as a dangerous veterinarian steroid never intended for human use. However, the perception of trenbolone may soon change with the publication of a favorable study in a major scientific journal.


Joshua Yarrow and his colleagues at the University of Florida feel that trenbolone may be a viable alternative to testosterone for androgen replacement therapy. They are set to publish their study results in the February 2011 issue of the American Journal of Physiology – Endocrinology and Metabolism.

The researchers report that trenbolone enanthate may have certain advantages over testosterone that may make it an appealing treatment option for some individuals. Bodybuilders may be familiar with many of these findings.

Trenbolone is not adversely affected by the aromatase or 5-alpha reductase enzymes that metabolize testosterone into estradiol and dihydrotestosterone, respectively. Bodybuilders have enjoyed tren for years precisely because they are able to avoid steroid side effects related to estrogen and DHT.

Yarrow reports that low-dose trenbolone enanthate effectively produces anabolic effects in muscle size and partially maintains bone mineral density without causing prostate enlargement or polycythemia in castrated laboratory rats.

Supraphysiological dosages of testosterone enanthate were required to produce anabolic effects similar to low-dose trenbolone administration. However, negative side effects of prostate enlargement and elevated hemoglobin became problematic at this dose of testosterone.

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs ) may be the current darlings of scientific research into alternative options for androgen replacement therapy, but University of Florida researchers are excited by the “SARM-like potential” of trenbolone.

They suggest that the actions of trenbolone are similar to selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs). Low-dose trenbolone is called “SARM-like” because of the positive anabolic effects in muscle and bone without negative side androgenic side effects of prostate enlargement or polycythemia.

Trenbolone may have benefits over testosterone in terms of androgen receptor activation, the upregulation of growth factors such as IGF-1 and fibroblast growth factor, and anticatabolic mechanisms.

Competitive bodybuilders have often preferred using trenbolone in the weeks prior to a bodybuilding competition due to its purported effects at accelerating fat loss.

The current study confirmed that trenbolone has more potent lipolytic effects on visceral adipose tissue than testosterone milligram per milligram. Furthermore, visceral fat loss increased in a dose-dependent manner with trenbolone. In other words, the more tren used, the greater the fat loss.

Trenbolone’s lack of aromatization, while generally desirable, has often been problematic for bodybuilders who have used trenbolone as the only steroid in a cycle. Therefore, most bodybuilders include an aromatizable steroid such as testosterone or Dianabol in their trenbolone steroid stacks.

Researchers also recognize that the lack of aromatization could be a potential problem if trenbolone is used alone in androgen replacement therapy. In their study, trenbolone only provided a partial bone protective effect when administered to castrated rats. The authors attribute this to the non-aromatizable nature of trenbolone.

They conclude that low-dose trenbolone enanthate treatment has SARM-like effects on muscle/fat body composition. Androgen replacement therapy with low-dose trenbolone could potentially produce anabolic gains comparable to supraphysiological testosterone treatment without the associated side effects. The therapeutic risk-benefit profile of low-dose trenbolone appears superior to supraphysiological testosterone treatment; however, additional research into this treatment option is necessary.

The researchers should be applauded for dispassionately and objectively researching the potential of trenbolone in androgen replacement therapy. Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid that has been demonized more than others due to its limited use (in pellet implants used by veterinarians to increase muscle growth in livestock). Fortunately, they looked past the political stigma associated with trenbolone to revisit a therapeutic use for an old steroid.

Special thanks to Michael Scally, M.D. for his diligence in staying on top of anabolic steroid medical research and sharing this study with MESO-Rx.

Yarrow JF et. al. 7{beta}-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (Trenbolone) Exhibits Tissue Selective Anabolic Activity: Effects on Muscle, Bone, Adiposity, Hemoglobin, and Prostate. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Jan 25. [Epub ahead of print"][ /QUOTE]above

Ronnie, Thank you for the article. This is great to read and I will add it to my tren knowledge book for my other cycles!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

NOTE: Compound exercises are key to maximize hypertrophy for the chest, lats, quads and shoulders! Relying on exercises such as side lateral raises to maximize growth of the side delts is like depending on leg extensions for building maximum size for the quads, cable cross-overs for building maximum size for the chest, and straight arms pulldowns for building maximum size for the lats. So, you should not rely on isolation exercises such as lateral raises as your main shoulder exercise for the delts, but rather shoulder presses. Use isolation exercises only after you have fatigued the muscles with compound exercises.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie just reposing one you missed..

You put together my cycle under my circumstances i have... Here it is again .


weeks 1-8
Test 500
Tbol 75mg

Weeks 11 -18

Test 400
Deca 400
EQ 400.

Question 1..
Can i up the EQ to 600? I have 300mg EQ in 1cc so it would be easier to measure or is there a reason to stay lower. YES I WOULD GO TO 600 MGS OF EQ WEEKLY. NORMALLY IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF AROUND 600 MGS WEEKLY TO NOTICE ANY APPRECIABLE GAINS. GO LOWER IN DOSAGE ONLY IF YOU BEGIN EXPERIENCING ANXIETY ATTACKS.

Also starting my prime 2 weeks out right now.

AS far as training I reread your post and it looks like 4-6 sets per body part at 12-15 reps stop few sets before failure? I WOULD STOP 1 REP SHY OF GOOD FAILURE AND 2 IF YOU HAVE JOINT PAIN DURING DELOADS. 4-6 SETS PER BODY PART IS GOOD.

Just making sure cus normally you dont go so many sets but at a higher rep range with lighter weight maybe its ok? THE HIGHER THE REPS, THE MORE SETS YOU CAN DO AND STILL RECOVER BECAUSE IT'S EASIER ON YOUR JOINTS.

I also deceded to go very low carbs for this prime and higher fat for a better insulin response once i bulk Aug 27th.

I will have a small refeed meal every 3rd day to refill some what. You can do that! Lower your protein as well.

Thanks Ronnie.

above

[totallyok3d]

Hey ron you might have missed my question on the other page,

I've cut down from 195lbs to about 180lbs now on slingshot test and winny. My question is when I go into PCT will I loose even more weight from the water i'm retaining from the test? I got as low as 176lbs when I barley drank any water and had no carbs a few days ago but as soon as I had carbs and drank my gallon of water I jumped back up to nearly 185 and my ab definition disapeared. Im guessing this is all just water weight from the test? It will all fall off going into PCT? I have an AI but stopped using it because I wasn't experiencing any gyno like symptoms

[slimshady01]

Ron few more question.. you got my cycle all lines up now its time to get my training and DIET!! on par.

Im the endo ecto build "lose muscle fast hard to gain without fat" I think im going to take your advice and not really bulk but eat some what normal.

I maintain at around 2500 calories but i also have been doing 45 min of medium cardio 5-6 days week. I also have a huge cheat Sunday night but that all comes off in 2-3 days.

I was thinking for my cycle to stay around 2700 calories and I may not do any cardio if so i think just once a week now.

As far as macros... Right now im pondering 300-350 carbs... 2x bodyweight " im 177 now but pretty lean". Protein 1 to 1.5 " i know you will say 1.5 lol" Then fats will be whatever trace fats i get from my food. This is more in line with Chris Aceto style bulking, should end up being 15-20% fats. I just cant do carbs and fat very long without getting fat.

Now i read through an old post of yours that said you like rotating high carb days followed by a lower carb higher fat and veggie day. You said this was keeping you very lean.

Do still feel the same about this style dieting? Or should i just eat the same everyday "minus off days where i would cut carbs in half".

I like the first 3 meals carbs protein followed by last 3 protein fat and veggies. My only concern is eating 100 carbs each meal for my first 3 meals or even higher.. I think i would feel like a bloated pig not sure.

If you still think the high carb followed by the low carb days are worth it how would i go about doing it.

YOu see how my how carb day will be so would a low day be something like:

175 carbs
Protein the same
fats???? If i was 20% before what would i up to?...

Im thinking i could go first 3 meals carbs protein then last 3 protein veggies and make it work.. I would lower calories by 200 to stay around 2500.. Upping my fats to make up for some of the carbs removed?


And would i really rotate each day? I train Monday through Friday due to work. Saturdays i wouldnt want a high carb day falling on this day and Sunday I normally have my cheat meal at night.

Monday - Chest
Tuesday - Back
WED - Shoulders
Thurs - Arms
Friday - Legs
Sat - OFF
Sunday - Off "cheat night"


Seeing my training schedule how would you incorporate high and low days "thats only if you think this is still a good diet option"


Thanks Ron,

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey ron you might have missed my question on the other page,

I've cut down from 195lbs to about 180lbs now on slingshot test and winny. My question is when I go into PCT will I loose even more weight from the water i'm retaining from the test? I got as low as 176lbs when I barley drank any water and had no carbs a few days ago but as soon as I had carbs and drank my gallon of water I jumped back up to nearly 185 and my ab definition disapeared. Im guessing this is all just water weight from the test? Some water weight is from the test but mostly of it's from the carbs and water you took in. When you combine carbs with water you will hold water because it's the carbs that make your body hold onto the water you drink. Salt intake magnifies this effect! When people go into ketosis, pretty much everything they drink runs just right through them even while using test and taking in modest amounts of salt because there are no carbs to hold the water. It will all fall off going into PCT? The water retention from the test will leave but when you add carbs (depending on how many you add) your ab definition will blur even when you remove the test from your regimen. I have an AI but stopped using it because I wasn't experiencing any gyno like symptoms

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron few more question.. You got my cycle all lines up now its time to get my training and diet!! On par.

Im the endo ecto build "lose muscle fast hard to gain without fat" i think im going to take your advice and not really bulk but eat some what normal. this is what i have to do as well. I have the same type of build. It is what it is.

i maintain at around 2500 calories but i also have been doing 45 min of medium cardio 5-6 days week. I also have a huge cheat sunday night but that all comes off in 2-3 days.

I was thinking for my cycle to stay around 2700 calories and i may not do any cardio if so i think just once a week now. i think 15-20 minutes of cardio 3 times per week would be okay for you while trying to gain size but no more. And if you want to skip the cardio and put more time into training that would work well. Cardio is good for your heart but the more energy and time you expend doing it, the less time you have left to train when trying to add additional muscle mass. Diet, not cardio, is far more imporant for heart health and what your look like!
as far as macros... Right now im pondering 300-350 carbs... 2x bodyweight " im 177 now but pretty lean". Protein 1 to 1.5 " i know you will say 1.5 lol" important note: Actually in your case 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight will work well because it's the ecto-meso and mesos that need more protein due to having more muscle mass and higher metabolisms. I have found that hard gainers get fat taking in too much protein along with the necessary carbs and fats requirements needed to function properly. Many people have it backwards thinking hard gainers need more protein but just the opposite is true! then fats will be whatever trace fats i get from my food. This is more in line with chris aceto style bulking, should end up being 15-20% fats. I just cant do carbs and fat very long without getting fat.

Now i read through an old post of yours that said you like rotating high carb days followed by a lower carb higher fat and veggie day. You said this was keeping you very lean. it helps keep you stay lean because you are controlling both carbs and calories but it's not necessary to take that approach. It's just another way of doing things. Some prefer that method while others do not because the high carb day causes distres to their gi tract and throws off their sugar levels.

do still feel the same about this style dieting? Or should i just eat the same everyday "minus off days where i would cut carbs in half". [u][/u]important note: Both ways work. The most simplistic and healthiest method IMO is to stay on the same diet 5 days a week then have a moderate carb up on wednesday (add in an additional 50 carbs that day) and then have a larger carb up on saturday. On saturday allow for one cheat meal such as a hamburger and fries which is a fat load as well.
i like the first 3 meals carbs protein followed by last 3 protein fat and veggies. My only concern is eating 100 carbs each meal for my first 3 meals or even higher.. I think i would feel like a bloated pig not sure. you can have 5 carbs melas per day and just dont take any in at bedtime meal.if you still think the high carb followed by the low carb days are worth it how would i go about doing it.

You see how my how carb day will be so would a low day be something like:

175 carbs
protein the same
fats???? If i was 20% before what would i up to?...

Im thinking i could go first 3 meals carbs protein then last 3 protein veggies and make it work.. I would lower calories by 200 to stay around 2500.. Upping my fats to make up for some of the carbs removed?


And would i really rotate each day? I train monday through friday due to work. Saturdays i wouldnt want a high carb day falling on this day and sunday i normally have my cheat meal at night.

Monday - chest low carbs
tuesday - back low carbs
wed - shoulders moderate carbs
thurs - arms low carbs
friday - legs low carbs
sat - off high carbs plus 1 cheat meal
sunday - off "cheat night" low carbs

note: The above protocol works well because you will be your hungriest and most depleted folwling back and leg training sessions!
seeing my training schedule how would you incorporate high and low days "thats only if you think this is still a good diet option"


thanks ron,

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[slimshady01]

Awesome post Ronnie.

I actually like hearing that i need only 1 gram protein per lb. I always thought that i was gaining fat from 1.5 -2 which im done in the past.

Now when you say low carb days and that one high carb day on Saturday what is low to you and what is high?

When i said was going 300-350 is that what i would do on the lower carb days or actually the 175? I THINK "not sure" i may be able to get away with the 300-350 spread through 5 meals "most in morning and post"
so long as my fats are low in those meals.. BUt then would a high day consist of 400 -500? on my cheat day?

Just want to have this dialed in perfect as i follow diets 100% and if low carb days are lower then 300 or so my total calories would be under 2700. " might not grow?"

Here are 2 pics of me, one in the morning un pumped can see abs.... Abs are almost gone after my coffee and breakbeast... really pisses me off lol.

Then another pumped at the gym.


again im 5-10 about 175-177 ecto endo...

[alex.mitev]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6111552]

Thanks!
I just concluded that having less than 200 gr of carbs daily makes me extremly week, flat and overall feeling like sh*t. I set my protein at nearly 300 gr (my lean bodymass is 170 lb), carbs at 250 and fats are aprox 50 gr. Then don't go lower than 250 carbs per day. I am the same exact way!

having in mind i just finished my 8 week cycle (reload) looking like:

1-8 test prop 400 mg
1-7 stanozolol 50 mg daily
6-8 tren acetat 40 mg ED
1-8 proviron 50 mg daily

and we talked about second reload looking like this
9-10 deload 250 mg test enantat
11-18 test enantat 750 mg weekly
11-18 boldenon 600 mg weekly
19-20 deload 250 mg test
PCT starts week 23 - is that correct? This is correct and if you added 1CC OF TREN per day to this test/eq cycle it would be much more effective!

SHould i consider exchanging boldenone with tren or leave it like this for lean gains? ( i reckon it`d be too long to remain on tren)?You can run tren along time just like test. In fact, they have discovered that the combination of these two dwould work well for long term TRT! ADD THE TREN! Here's an article that helps explain- "The use of the anabolic steroid trenbolone has a long history in the bodybuilding but it has never really been considered a steroid suitable for therapeutic use in medicine. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved tren for use in humans. The media has often demonized it as a dangerous veterinarian steroid never intended for human use. However, the perception of trenbolone may soon change with the publication of a favorable study in a major scientific journal.


Joshua Yarrow and his colleagues at the University of Florida feel that trenbolone may be a viable alternative to testosterone for androgen replacement therapy. They are set to publish their study results in the February 2011 issue of the American Journal of Physiology – Endocrinology and Metabolism.

The researchers report that trenbolone enanthate may have certain advantages over testosterone that may make it an appealing treatment option for some individuals. Bodybuilders may be familiar with many of these findings.

Trenbolone is not adversely affected by the aromatase or 5-alpha reductase enzymes that metabolize testosterone into estradiol and dihydrotestosterone, respectively. Bodybuilders have enjoyed tren for years precisely because they are able to avoid steroid side effects related to estrogen and DHT.

Yarrow reports that low-dose trenbolone enanthate effectively produces anabolic effects in muscle size and partially maintains bone mineral density without causing prostate enlargement or polycythemia in castrated laboratory rats.

Supraphysiological dosages of testosterone enanthate were required to produce anabolic effects similar to low-dose trenbolone administration. However, negative side effects of prostate enlargement and elevated hemoglobin became problematic at this dose of testosterone.

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs ) may be the current darlings of scientific research into alternative options for androgen replacement therapy, but University of Florida researchers are excited by the “SARM-like potential” of trenbolone.

They suggest that the actions of trenbolone are similar to selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs). Low-dose trenbolone is called “SARM-like” because of the positive anabolic effects in muscle and bone without negative side androgenic side effects of prostate enlargement or polycythemia.

Trenbolone may have benefits over testosterone in terms of androgen receptor activation, the upregulation of growth factors such as IGF-1 and fibroblast growth factor, and anticatabolic mechanisms.

Competitive bodybuilders have often preferred using trenbolone in the weeks prior to a bodybuilding competition due to its purported effects at accelerating fat loss.

The current study confirmed that trenbolone has more potent lipolytic effects on visceral adipose tissue than testosterone milligram per milligram. Furthermore, visceral fat loss increased in a dose-dependent manner with trenbolone. In other words, the more tren used, the greater the fat loss.

Trenbolone’s lack of aromatization, while generally desirable, has often been problematic for bodybuilders who have used trenbolone as the only steroid in a cycle. Therefore, most bodybuilders include an aromatizable steroid such as testosterone or Dianabol in their trenbolone steroid stacks.

Researchers also recognize that the lack of aromatization could be a potential problem if trenbolone is used alone in androgen replacement therapy. In their study, trenbolone only provided a partial bone protective effect when administered to castrated rats. The authors attribute this to the non-aromatizable nature of trenbolone.

They conclude that low-dose trenbolone enanthate treatment has SARM-like effects on muscle/fat body composition. Androgen replacement therapy with low-dose trenbolone could potentially produce anabolic gains comparable to supraphysiological testosterone treatment without the associated side effects. The therapeutic risk-benefit profile of low-dose trenbolone appears superior to supraphysiological testosterone treatment; however, additional research into this treatment option is necessary.

The researchers should be applauded for dispassionately and objectively researching the potential of trenbolone in androgen replacement therapy. Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid that has been demonized more than others due to its limited use (in pellet implants used by veterinarians to increase muscle growth in livestock). Fortunately, they looked past the political stigma associated with trenbolone to revisit a therapeutic use for an old steroid.

Special thanks to Michael Scally, M.D. for his diligence in staying on top of anabolic steroid medical research and sharing this study with MESO-Rx.

Yarrow JF et. al. 7{beta}-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (Trenbolone) Exhibits Tissue Selective Anabolic Activity: Effects on Muscle, Bone, Adiposity, Hemoglobin, and Prostate. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Jan 25. [Epub ahead of print"][ /QUOTE]above

Thanks. I'm typing from my cell therefore will go shortly
Dont have the budget to add tren to above. I cqn either go for the abovementioned reload test/eq or:
11-18 500 tes enanthat
11-18 300-400 tren enanthat
i guess i'll have to throw some B6 75 mg daily
as well as 20 mg tamoxifen
tren distroys my libido, how exactly should i incorporate hc?like this:
11-12 3x500iu
13-23 2x 250iu
approved of? Is this better than test/eq?

[mockery]

Hello again Ron

Im not sure if this is something you want to get into or discuss for obvious reasons. But i thought id ask because your views on serious muscle needs serious aas supplement.

im in my mid thirty's average build, decent genetics never cared for doing a show. But my friends who compete and just won the local provincials here have inspired me and made me question "what if" I can be a very dedicated and driven person and very competitive. I know i cant just get back into the game, do drugs and eat and sleep and train and win 1st.. but id be happy with 13th! just to say at my age i did a show against younger guys who have been training dedictaedly for years! oh though i will win first cause im fricking awesome!

my question can be broken down to two possibility's

1.) what extent of peptides and aas would i need to use to be show read in 11 months? would i have to be "on" from now till the final week of the show?

Im not expecting you to write out a cycle plan for, but something to help point me into the right direction. I understand this isnt healthy or probably smart just to do 1 show for the hell of it. Maybe if they give out pro cars at the over 40 category i can work for the and get my old man HW procard haha. I hope you can help me out to the best of your ability with out asking to much of your time.

thanks so much!

[anabolic body]

question my current cycle
test e 250mg a week
test p 700mg a week
npp 700mg a week
masteron 400mg aweek
winny 50mg a day

was think of adding in tren a because i love the strength gains what do you think ?
i get very few sides from tren. have ran up to 800mg tren a per week

THANK YOU

[Yellow]

Hi Big Ron...

I think you missed my post in the page before : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...68#post6103068

Thanks...

[600@50]

Ron,

What AI do you recommend for blast and cruise long term? Adex or stane or some other? I've always used adex but have heard you shouldn't stay on adex long term.

Thanks man!

[totallyok3d]

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Thanks Ron!

[totallyok3d]

ron,

noticed my right nipple is a little more pointy and puffy then normal and my left one looks somewhat normal. I never had any pain and I feel a tiny lump but it could just be bodyfat? it just feels and looks puffy. Also when if i squeeze it a get like a clear milky discharge. I'm running adex at .25mg EOD, should I up my dose or just wait until my PCT in the next 4 weeks, or start taking nolva alongside the test now? Will this subside once I start my nolvadex in PCT?

[totallyok3d]

ron -

Should i change my workout routine in any way when going into PCT? Less reps keep heavy weight like it was on cycle?

[totallyok3d]

ron -

after my 6 weeks of PCT (you recommended 6 weeks since no HCG , would 8 be excessive or will 6 be fine?)

Will waiting a month or 2 after PCT be long enough before I go back on cycle, or could I wait even less or should I wait longer?

[totallyok3d]

ron -

running test e and winny right now as i mentioned above. I changed my diet up and got down to 180lbs (endomorph) Im looking to get more shredded and have my abs visible which I think will be obtained if i get down to the low 170's.

I'm currently stuck at 180-179 and can't seem to get passed that. I eat 250g P, 100g C(about 80g from veggies), and 30g F. This got me down to 180 but I cant seem to make and progress anymore, Im just stuck aroudn there. I eat this diet mon-friday and by the time it gets to friday i feel like complete crap, irratable, terrible sleep, weak, headaches from the low carbs. I have a moderate carb day saturday and lower my protein and on sunday have a cheat day that consists of mainly all carb sources for a refeed then back on it monday. Again, this is just keeping me around 180lbs, no changes really. What would you suggest to break this platue?

I'm also doing cardio about 5-6x a week either PWO, fasted am, or after my last meal before bed. Sometimes I get 2 sessions in 1 day all 20-30 mins.

thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

awesome post ronnie.

I actually like hearing that i need only 1 gram protein per lb. I always thought that i was gaining fat from 1.5 -2 which im done in the past.

Now when you say low carb days and that one high carb day on saturday what is low to you (250-300) and what is high? 400 plus

when i said was going 300-350 is that what i would do on the lower carb days or actually the 175? start with 250 then go to 300 if needed. I think "not sure" i may be able to get away with the 300-350 spread through 5 meals "most in morning and post"
so long as my fats are low in those meals.. But then would a high day consist of 400 -500? On my cheat day? yes

just want to have this dialed in perfect as i follow diets 100% and if low carb days are lower then 300 or so my total calories would be under 2700. " might not grow?" you will still grow on 250 carbs per day on the 5 low carb days given you eat enough fats to have a calorie surplushere are 2 pics of me, one in the morning un pumped can see abs.... Abs are almost gone after my coffee and breakbeast... Really pisses me off lol. [b]that's normal./b]

then another pumped at the gym.


Again im 5-10 about 175-177 ecto endo...

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=alex.mitev;6116825]

Thanks. I'm typing from my cell therefore will go shortly
Dont have the budget to add tren to above. I cqn either go for the abovementioned reload test/eq or:
11-18 500 tes enanthat
11-18 300-400 tren enanthat
i guess i'll have to throw some B6 75 mg daily
as well as 20 mg tamoxifen
tren distroys my libido, how exactly should i incorporate hc?like this:
11-12 3x500iu
13-23 2x 250iu
approved of? Is this better than test/eq? YOU NEED TO RUN 1 GRAM OF TEST WEEKLY TO PUT ON GOOD SIZE AT YOUR LEVEL. I WOULD JUST RUN TEST ALONE AND FORGET THE EQ. HCG CAN BE RAN AT 250 IUS TWICE PER WEEK THROUGHOUT ENTIRE CYCLE.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

no, i don't take both egg whites & whole eggs raw, ron.. I mix 1 cup of egg whites and 1 whole egg in a bowl and beat them.. Then i lightly cook them in a frying pan (not overcooked). i would not eat an egg everyday due to them causing an increase in cholesterol, especially while using steroids.
i am an ecto-endo type person.
If my dinner at 8.15 pm (it's about 45-60 minutes post workout) consists of 9 oz of boneless chicken breast + 1 cup of steamed broccoli + 2 slices of whole wheat bread (substituting the extra virgin olive oil with whole wheat bread), do you think it blunts the release of gh at night, since i go to bed at 11.15 pm? no, it's not going to blunt gh release!but my last meal of the day at 11.00 pm just consists of protein & fats (1 scoop of whey protein isolate + 1 cup egg whites + 1 whole egg + 1 tablespoon of peanut butter).

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ron,

what ai do you recommend for blast and cruise long term? Adex or stane or some other? masteron is the best choice if it works for you but it can cause anxiety for some if they go above 200 mgs per week. If masteron is not strong enough use aromasin long term. Some people who have gyno really bad have to resort to letro to keep the pain down. You don't have to use anything if you don't have gyno! i've always used adex but have heard you shouldn't stay on adex long term.

Thanks man!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ron,

noticed my right nipple is a little more pointy and puffy then normal and my left one looks somewhat normal. I never had any pain and I feel a tiny lump but it could just be bodyfat? it just feels and looks puffy. Also when if i squeeze it a get like a clear milky discharge. Your prolactin levels are too high. Get on some cabergoline! I'm running adex at .25mg EOD, should I up my dose or just wait until my PCT in the next 4 weeks, or start taking nolva alongside the test now? Increase adex to .05mgs daily and get something to decrease prolactin levels. Will this subside once I start my nolvadex in PCT? I don't think it will subside until 6-8 weeks post PCT without carbergoline.

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[totallyok3d]

above

Thanks ron did you meen increase to .50mg adex daily? not .05mg?

[arock1]

Great post very straight forward and helpful tips.. Thanks

[measuretwicecutonce]

Sup man,

I kinda poked around in this thread a bit n found most of the answers I wanted. Plz critique. Initially i wanted to do 3 or 4 series of slingshotting so 3 reloads n 3 deloads in total. But after reading a bit seems like for the more hpta concerned person 2 8s is the way to go with a mild bridge. followed my a more elaborate pct with 2400iu hcg for 2 weeks? but then did u follow this with a serm? Also recovery wise, how elaborate would pct be if i did run 3-4 series?

[alex.mitev]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6123565]

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Hi Ron,

When saying you`d run test alone at 1 gr - you mean on top of 300 mg tren weekly, or ditch the tren and use ONLY test? I`m a bit confused, sorry.