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09-17-2012, 07:25 PM #4481New Member
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3rd cycle
Hey Ronnie
Im in my last week of my 2nd cycle and ran sst program as directed I did 2 weeks off aas and training as a prime/deload after 1st cycle (500mg per week of test e on a HIT program) i reached 81-82kg but got gastro in thailand and dropped back down to 77-78kg. My 2nd cycle consisted of 500mg teste + 300mg of deca300. I started the sst blast program (ran blast for 6 weeks felt i was still gaining and didnt want to stop) on a 5 day split, mon-chest, tues-arms, wed off, thurs-shoulders, fri-back&traps, sat-legs/calfs sun off, started doing the 2 warmup sets 12 & 10 reps 1 x prep set 6 reps to 3 working sets x 10 reps to good failure and 1 x 12-15 reps burnout not to complete failure but . then dropped the prep set in week 3. Ive finished up the blast phase at 84-85kg im pretty sure at around 15-17% bf i think was closer to 20% bf early on wks 2-5.
Im starting the cruise phase (dropping AAS to 250mg per wk) this week but really want to gain a few more kg of lean mass and drop my bf% to in the 10-12% or lower if possible so at this point was considering running anavar as i have acces to it and possibly test e at 750mg per ?? also have access to dbol 10mg tabs. so my question is what do you recon i do aas wise and with my program and how do i tweak my diet into new cycle? I have clomid and nolvadex and hcg ready to go for PCT aswell. Again thanks for your knowledgeable help and advice
Cheers
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09-18-2012, 09:23 AM #4482New Member
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Wow! Some decent info in that lot!
Just wondering - running that style
Of cycling (which I'm understanding as being pretty much continuous) would give the HPTA a hell Of a pounding yeah? Would pct be an issue if you wanted to come off for breather?
Nb. Ive been trying to post a question about my up coming cycle, but the spam filter won't let it through - It must be a word I've used tripping the filter - any other ways to get a question through?
Cheers!
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09-19-2012, 05:30 PM #4483
Ronnie you said... Most gains are made during 8 week reloads so extending deloads past 2 weeks is not optimal. After much more than 2 weeks of deloading (reducing hormonal levels and/or training volume) the body will begin to reach homeostastis-hence muscle/strength gains will be on the decline. My question: so if you cruise at 200 to 250mgs a week for a month will you still lose muscle if you are training each body part hard once a week and continue to eat right? Thanks PM sent also.
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09-19-2012, 05:46 PM #4484
I think I found my answer on page 13. Two week deload with lower volume and then back to higher volume while staying on the deload dosage (200 or 250mgs). Hopefully not losing muscle while on lower dose.
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09-19-2012, 05:59 PM #4485
Hey Ronnie I am 45 yrs old..5.9 ft tall and weight 185. I have been lifting solid for about four years. Prior to that I lifted off and and on for ten years. On 9/14/10 I weighed 165 and did my 1st shot of test and stayed on until 1/29/11 (4 months) at doses between 500 and 750mgs. Made great gains even though my diet was terrible. But as you know my gains fizzled out. I tried a half assed post cycle for 6 weeks and felt terrible so I jumped back on 3/13/11. I do get yearly physicals btw. My second cycle was no where near as good for gains. Didnt feel like superman anymore even though I was hack squatting 920 for reps. Hadnt read your stuff yet. Bumped dose up to a gram a week for a couple of weeks and lost sex drive so I lowered dosage back to 750mgs..600 mgs..then 500 mgs.. 4 months later I cut my dosage back to 250mgs a week and cruised for a month. On 10/09/11 i jumped back on 500mg test and Dbol for a couple of weeks. I have done dbol before. Made some strenght gains but no weight ( bad diet) On 11/21/11 I cruised again for about 1 months, then stopped copletely for 1 month to get blood work done ..everything ok for the most part. Test level was 297..tried to get on hrt. Doc told me to try clomid and would not prescribe injectable. So I went home and shot a gram of sust and 500 weekly after that for a month and then ran tren for 9 weeks at 300 mgs weekly. Felt great but labido was shot afterwards. I stopped log book after that. I stayed on 500 to 750 of sust up until 2 weeks ago. Cruisin 2 weeks then back on for 8 following your recipe. I know I desperately need to eat more. Plus I have sustained back, neck, rotator cuff, and elbow injuries along the way. Poor form and lifting way too phsyco heavy for my size. Can I continue like this or am I askin for trouble? If I cruise for a month or two can I hang on to gains if I eat alot? And if I have to increase mgs every reload I will be broke and asking for negative sides. I guess if I cruise for a minimum of 2 weeks I will still make gains once back on. Maybe a month cruise would be better, but will I lose alot of size. Also experiencing poor erections after being on for the better part of two years. E levels are probably too high. Never taken an AI...just adjusted my test levels myself. My guess is I have screwed up my system and I will be pinning for life now. Any advice would be appreciated.
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09-20-2012, 10:38 AM #4486New Member
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Hey Ronnie, i am just wondering if you could help me out...I started taking sust250 and i have gone through a vial of it but have decided to switch over to test enanthate ....
I am i first timer so i am just wondering if i can just start taking the test e right away at 500mg per week?...and also how often would i shoot that?
should i shoot 250 on monday and then another 250 on thursday?...or what do you recommend.....Then after the 8 weeks i have clomid and nolva, how much would you say to take during the two weeks and also for the full pct at the end of the 20 weeks.....Your reply is very much appreciated...Cheers
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09-20-2012, 05:56 PM #4487
fox gear...this is on page 13
Full pct!!!!
I keep getting the same questions over and over again about how to do a FULL PCT .
HERE IT IS (POST #496) SO PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF THIS-
hcg 2500 is every other day for 2 weeks
clomid 50 mgs twice per day for 4 weeks
nolvadex 20 mgs per day for 4 weeks
As for switching to test e, no problem. 250mgs twice week same routine as sust. I do sundays and wednesdays. Monday/Thursday is fine.
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09-20-2012, 06:32 PM #4488New Member
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09-20-2012, 06:36 PM #4489New Member
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Let me me know Ronnie .. I tried to pm u but I guess I'm to new of a member
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09-20-2012, 09:00 PM #4498New Member
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09-22-2012, 11:58 AM #4500
Thanks for the reply and feedback Ronnie. Yes I probably do overtrain. I just felt like like the greater the stress I put on the body, it would have to grow. I thought constantly pushing it more and more in the form of poundage or resistance was what forced the muscle to grow?? You stated that I should just stick with 500 to 750 mgs on my reloads. Sounds good, but will that be enough to make solid gains on each reload? Or will I just maintain at that level? I guess my concern is if I stop lifting heavy and stay on the same dose... am I going to see size increases? Thnx
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09-22-2012, 12:08 PM #4501
Ronnie, for the first year I was blasting and cruising I was enjoying solid wood and sex daily...sometimes more. All I wanted to do was f#ck and work out. Now two years later I am havin trouble getting hard and staying hard unless I take cialis. Is this a normal side effect of blasting and cruising for two years? I mean even on 700 mgs of test weekly I still have probs. On 500 or 200 mgs..its the same. This is a real blow to the ego. I know you said add Masteron with test, cialis may be cheaper.
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09-22-2012, 12:09 PM #4502
What dosage would I run the mast and test together?
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09-23-2012, 03:16 PM #4503Junior Member
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ron,
moved my carbs up to 300g now that I have shifted into PCT. I was originally on your carb cycling diet and it was great, i was leaner then ever. With all these carbs i look really bloated and lost most my deep cuts and definition. Is it ok to go back to the carb cycling or even keto during PCT? I just dont react well with carbs. The only difference is I would be eating at maintenance instead of cutting because im in PCT. Is this ok? Or do i need carbs in PCT?
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09-25-2012, 07:56 AM #4505
4 day split for Injury
I'm not able to train Chest and Biceps together. The biceps long head tendon gives me irritation at the shoulder. I need to give it some rest. What is a good 4 day split that doesn't train chest/bi's together?
I'm currently doing:
Day 1: Legs (Quad/hams/calf)
Day 2: Chest/Tri's
Day 3: Off
Day 4: Back/Traps
Day 5: Shoulders/Bi's/Abs
Day 6/7: Off
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09-26-2012, 06:34 AM #4506
What rep ranges do you suggest during the reload phase?
I had great success in the beginning with 5-8 to gain my initial size.
My most recent success has come from set 1 7-9 set 2 3-6 set 3 10-12. ive been using this quite often over the last 2 years.
What are your thoughts?
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09-26-2012, 09:11 AM #4507
Great input thanks!
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09-27-2012, 05:19 AM #4508
Hey Ronnie, I've been considering your sst method lately but I wanted to ask a few questions before I take on the lifestyle. I've been training for close to 2 years now, hard. I trained before that but took 1 year off due to unrelated injury. I've had good gains and major strength improvements, but like most of us, its not enough. I have 1 complete cycle of sus under my belt and am on week 9 of second cycle. I love it! I'm just under 170lbs and very lean. I'm 26 and already have 3 rugrats, so I'm not to worried about loosing the ability to have kids. What I want to know is when is a good age/exp to start with your slingshot training method and blast cycling? I want to get as big as possible and nothing compares to being on gear and training IMO. I would love to compete one day but i know I'm far from it. I want to do it right, and avoid trt if I can. Money is not much of an issue, but I choose to be frugal. Do you think I'm to young or to in experienced to start your sst method?
Could I do sst and still avoid trt if I cycle with hcg and ai and moderate dose?
Thanks in advanced
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09-27-2012, 06:36 PM #4509Junior Member
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Hi I got a question for ya brother ! , I've been training for about 2 years on and off but for the past month I've been really comitted I've been hitting the gym 5 days a week for a month haven't missed a day & I don't plan on it (sometimes working out twice a day ), the only problem I have is my weight I've been stuck at 180-187 what kind of training would you recommend to me I eat like 4 meals a day and not junk food or frozen pizza home cooked meals but I still can't see weight gains , really need some advice on this one thanks ! BTW I'm 6'3 26 y-o
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09-27-2012, 07:40 PM #4510
Ron, I had great success with your slingshot carb cycling diet which is 5 low carb days & 1 medium carb day (wednesday-add 100gr carbs) & 1 high carb day (saturday-cheat day).
Now I'm entering the deload phase (reduce protein to half & replace the protein calories with fats like peanut butter and extra virgin olive oil).
How should I go with diet on the deload phase? Should I still do carb cycling diet while on deload or just straight deload diet?
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09-28-2012, 05:14 AM #4511Associate Member
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Ronnie, can you share some thoughts on Ben Pakulski`s MI40 program - this guy seems to be very well prepared and backed up in terms of studies and facts. And also he doesn`t have this great genetics but he made it Pro anyways?
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ronnie...alternative for posterior deltoids???? reverse calbe flys..getting old...thanks bro!!!
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09-28-2012, 03:43 PM #4513Banned
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opinion of pec minor dips..pro phil hernon says they are great for upper chest??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlCqixV8at0
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09-29-2012, 08:23 AM #4514New Member
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Ronnie heres what i want to run
600mg test e wk 1-8 reload
300mg test e wk 9-10 deload
600mg test e wk 11-18 reload
300mg test e wk 19-20 deload
900mg test e wk21-28 reload
300mg test e wk29-30 deload
4wk pct
By not going up on test dosage in 2nd reload cycle would this cycle still be benificial.Maybe throw some dbol in 2nd reload.Whhats your thoughts and by the way great reading.
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Hey ron, thanks for all teh great help so far. i have been using your system for a bit now. slightly different then you have explained, only to focus more on body recomp and strength instead of mass, and it has gone nicely.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...09#post6170209
Click on the above to go to my thread where i have posted some week 1 pictures and week 7 pics.
I start my deload next week. Ive been craving carbs so bad all this week so i look forward to the protein drop and carb replacement for the next two weeks. Ill be eliminating all protein shakes , except post work out. so all protein micros will be 100% whole foods.
i dont think myostatin is a drama thus far since i have been doing a slow controlled cut. But i may go above maintenance when i add the addition of tren and hcg into teh next reload. i haven't been doing cardio so perhaps i will add fasted cardio as well to help with teh surplus of calories. i still wanna drop 4% bf, not sure how much tren will help with that...
have a look at the progress your SSTS has done for me, thanks so much man!!
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[QUOTE=totallyok3d;6176197]ron,
moved my carbs up to 300g now that I have shifted into PCT. I was originally on your carb cycling diet and it was great, i was leaner then ever. With all these carbs i look really bloated and lost most my deep cuts and definition. Is it ok to go back to the carb cycling or even keto during PCT? I just dont react well with carbs. The only difference is I would be eating at maintenance instead of cutting because im in PCT. Is this ok? Or do i need carbs in PCT? You can stay at maintenance and keep carbs lower during pct. Expect to soften up some anyways on pct after a few weeks. Another option is to reduce protein and keep carbs around 250 carbs daily for increased energy because coming off test lowers your energy levels which makes it difficult to want to train at all sometimes! [/QUOTE] above
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Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.
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