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    [QUOTE=F4iGuy;5130202]I know reload reps are to good failure. Does the same apply for higher reps (10-15) during Deload? YES, YOU STILL TRAIN TO GOOD FAILURE DURING DELOADS AS YOU ARE STILL TRYING TO MAKE GAINS WITH LESS VOLUME. "P.S. YOUR LATS ARE LOOKING RIDICULOUS!"[/QUOTE] ABOVE

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    Ronnie, I always train short to failure for 12 sets and reduce the volume every 8 weeks or so............I fell overtrain very quick when I train to failure even for couple sets, so what do you think?

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    Ronnie;

    hcg 2500 is every other day for 2 weeks
    clomid 50 mgs twice per day for 4 weeks
    nolvadex 20 mgs per day for 4 weeks



    Going to start PCT soon, my source has told me there is NO WAY he would do hcg with PCT. He also takes AAS and says since I didn't run any during my cycle, that its a bad choice to run on PCT. Any thoughts or comments that I can relay to him on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by almard View Post
    Ronnie, I always train short to failure for 12 sets and reduce the volume every 8 weeks or so............I fell overtrain very quick when I train to failure even for couple sets, so what do you think?
    Begin by reducing works sets by around 8-9 sets for major body parts. Next don't train to all-out-failure but stop just shy to preserve CNS. Lastly, make sure you are waiting plenty of time between work sets, especially when training larger muscle groups that are more demanding on the nervous system.

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    [QUOTE=ricky23;5130365]hi ronnie, i was planning to undertake the 20 week cycle you recommended but i couldnt get hold of the tri-test, tri-tren until recently so i took a pct of clomid and novaldex after my first 8 week cycle of sus deca and dbol (i didnt like the dbol because of the water retention and bloating!) i really do think that the 20 week cycle you recommended is excellent and i really appreciate it, i was thinking of adding winstrol so it would be 1g of test + 400mg of tren + 350mg of winny - would that be a good addition ?YES! i would then deload for 2 weeks with 500mg of test and do a higher dose of the above for the second phase.
    on the cycle i was planning 500g of protein 200g of carbs and 50-70g healthy fats. please let me know what you think.500 GRAMS OF PROTEIN SOUNDS LIKE TOO MUCH UNLESS YOU WEIGH 250 PLUS. HOW MUCH DO YOU WEIGH?[/QUOTE]ABOVE

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    Quote Originally Posted by wnt2grow View Post
    ronnie;

    hcg 2500 is every other day for 2 weeks
    clomid 50 mgs twice per day for 4 weeks
    nolvadex 20 mgs per day for 4 weeks



    going to start pct soon, my source has told me there is no way he would do hcg with pct. He also takes aas and says since i didn't run any during my cycle, that its a bad choice to run on pct. Any thoughts or comments that i can relay to him on this? no disrespect to him but i have no idea what he's talking about? Hcg is needed to get your testes to start producing natural testosterone again. Either you take hcg during your cycle, post cycle, or both, but i feel it's the best of all things to take when coming off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vascular vince View Post
    is this statement from phil hernon true???? False??? "a lot of trainees ( from other countries where this is legal)say that they want to take massive amounts of steroids . What they do not understand is that sometimes larger dosages of test may reduce free test levels......lower dosages of test may raise free test levels..........lower levels of test may raise igf-1 levels....it all depends upon what dosages thay are at.......and what response they are getting from their dosages now........find out how you respond before bombing yourself with test.......there is a right way or better way............especially if you want long term positive resluts. Believe me when i say that as your trainer, we know you want to be huge......there is a method to our madness" i think phil hernon is just concerned about others health and trying to keep them out of harms way. Phil is a true genetic freak and i think i once read that during his golden years he stated that he took everything he could get his hands on in order to get bigger. Notice that phil says- "lower dosages of test "may" raise igf-1 levels," NOT THAT THEY ACTUALLY DO! In all honestly, it's higher dosages of test that increase 1gf-1 levels and reaching the point of diminishing returns will vary amongst individuals. You can prove and disprove anything with studies. Most studies say more test equals more gains up to a point and most pro-bodybuilder's will tell you the same thing as I!
    ronnie..we realize you do
    not use anti-es.....if you had to choose from one of these d...rugs.... Would it be aromasin ???? Arimidex ???? Letro??? aromasin why???? because there is little to no estrogen rebound when coming off aromasin and that's when some people start developing gyno and become all emotional.
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    No disrespect assumed, I was under the assumption that using the hcg was the best way to go. I will follow your suggestion I like my "boys" to be normal.

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    hmpf ... okay okay. yeah me too

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    ronnie is the man by the way, thanks for all the good reads

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    [QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5125556]
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    ABOVE
    Ron, I have been following the carb-cycling for about 3 weeks now in an attempt to shed some bodyfat.
    I have been trying to lean out ever since I finished my h-drol (PH) cycle back in late December, and I have lost almost 50 pounds. I started the h-drol at a weight of 200, and in 6 weeks was up to 218. Even before that cycle, I was able to climb from 170 to the above mentioned 200 all natural. I achieved the weight increases (both natty and PH) on a HUGE calorie diet of roughly 400p, 500c and I'm not sure of the fat intake. This worked GREAT for size and strength, but my bf increased significantly, I'd say 8-10%. The bulking diet program I used is called "no-nonsense muscle building" by Vince Delmonte. He claimed you can't get big and strong without getting a "little" fat in the process. Once I peaked at 218, I began cutting with his "Empowered nutrtion" cutting meal plans. I'm just really frustrated because as I said above, I have lost 50 pounds since the end of my h-drol cycle, and I am still no where near "cut" My arms went from 18in to 16in, my chest went from 48 to 42, not to mention strength losses etc. I'm just trying to fully explain why I'm frustrated. Is this sort of transformation normal when cutting? Am I just expecting too much? I just feel somethings wrong. Can you PLEASE help me with all of this, I'll post my current diet, cardio, whatever you want, but I need you to set me straight. I would GREATLY appreciate it.

    p.s. I have been losing the 1-2 pounds/week following the carb cycling, but I don't seem to look any leaner.

    p.s.s. What's your take on Vince Delmonte?

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    Meal 1: around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams fat) 1 cup oatmeal (60 grams of carbs).

    Meal 2: around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams of fat) and 45grams of cheese (14 grams protein, 15 grams fat)

    Meal 3: Tuna(2 cans) (60 grams of Protein) 3 TBS Olive Oil Mayo (15 grams of fat) 45 grams of cheese (14 grams protein, 15 grams fat)

    Meal 4: around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams fat) 2/3 cup oatmeal (40 grams of carbs).

    (Workout)

    Meal 5: around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams of fat) 1 banana (25grams of carbs)

    Meal 6: around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams fat) with 1 tablespoon of smart balance peanut butter (8 grams of fat)

    That turns into approximately 363 grams protein, (only 125 grams Carbs), and around 78 grams of fat. Calories = 2654

    On none Workout days I just switch all my Carb meals to the first and second meal... and make the other 4 meals Pro/Fat then it brings my macros to about this
    377 grams of protein, 100grams of carbs, and 93 grams of fat
    Calories = 2745

    I know i don't have any whey in there or egg whites... I currently have alot of chicken stocked and no money for whey protein (Just started new job and don't get paid for a while) and egg whites I will start taking those again when i get money... (I use to for a long time)
    My total daily calorie requirement is about 3300-3400
    Oh also i'm 6' 225lbs, 24 years old

    P.S i use cheese because i work construction at the moment, it is easiest to bring with me instead of olive oil, when it times to eat on the job site i can just take the chicken and cheese out of my pocket and munch it down quick... it's just the easiest thing for me.

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    [QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5131467]
    Quote Originally Posted by Juicedupmonkey View Post
    Ronnie I'm about to start PCT, it wouldn't be a good idea to be doing a carb cycling diet during now would it? IF YOU ARE ON A CUTTING PHASE THEN STICK TO CARB CYCLING OR YOU'LL GAIN BACK THE BODY FAT. And I'm currently working out in the evening so is it still gonna work the same YESIf I just make my first meal carb/pro then PreWO and PWO then all the others are pro/fat. And my last meal is pro/fat THAT IS A GOOD STRATEGY![/QUOTE]ABOVE
    Yes i'm in a cutting phase, The first half of my Cycle was a bulk then i had to switch over to cutting for the other half. I was planning on it being just a bulk but I didn't realize it was coming to the summer months so quickly and decided i should shed some BF. So i posted up my diet as it is now, Since i'm starting PCT on Monday should i bump my calories up to maintenance? until i'm done PCT? to maybe preserve muscle? or keep it where it is below Maintenance?
    And HCG ... Should i be injecting that into the muscle or some fat? does it matter?
    Just to Clarify say a 20 week cycle ends on week 20 and i'm to take HCG on the 21st and 22nd week? then clomid and Nolva for the 23rd,24th,25th and 26th weeks? Making the entire PCT of HCG/Clomid/Nolva 6 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    How does HCG last once its mixed?. Around a week. If you put it in bacteriostatic water it will last around 3 weeks longer than if you just put it in sterile water.
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    Ron

    What do u mean when u say hcg only last around a week in a sterile water? does that mean a week after being mixed with sterile water the hcg loses its potency? or it means that there is higher risk of bacterial growth, therefore not safe to use anymore?

    Been scouring around the forum and I found this:

    "HGH should ideally be used for 20-30 week cycles (or longer). The dosage should be between 2-3IU per day if you are using GH primarily for fat loss, 4-5 IU’s a day for both fat loss and muscle growth, and approximately 1.0 – 2.0 IU’s a day for females. It is best to split your injections 1/2 first thing in the morning, 1/2 early afternoon if your dose is above 3.0 IU’s per day. Your pituitary will naturally produce about 6-9 pulses of GH per day. Each injection you take will create a negative feedback loop that will suppress these pulses for about 4 hours. By taking your injections first thing in the morning and early afternoon you will still allow your body to release its biggest pulse, which normally occurs shortly after going to sleep at night."

    Last time you told me the best way to take HGH is to take the whole 4iu at night before bed time, what's ur take on the possibility of suppressing the night time natural gh release when taking exogenous hgh before going to bed at night?
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    ronnie...you say to train each muscle twice a week when hitting a major pateau??

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    pills versus injections

    whats better

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    [QUOTE=Archangel.;5132528]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post

    Ron, I have been following the carb-cycling for about 3 weeks now in an attempt to shed some bodyfat. THAT'S NOT LONG ENOUGH TO TELL ANYTHING! I have been trying to lean out ever since I finished my h-drol (PH) cycle back in late December, and I have lost almost 50 pounds. I started the h-drol at a weight of 200, and in 6 weeks was up to 218. Even before that cycle, I was able to climb from 170 to the above mentioned 200 all natural. I achieved the weight increases (both natty and PH) on a HUGE calorie diet of roughly 400p, 500c and I'm not sure of the fat intake. This worked GREAT for size and strength, but my bf increased significantly, I'd say 8-10%. The bulking diet program I used is called "no-nonsense muscle building" by Vince Delmonte. He claimed you can't get big and strong without getting a "little" fat in the process. A LITTLE FAT IS ONE THING BUT YOU GAINED A LOT OF BODY FAT AND THIS IS NOT GOOD!Once I peaked at 218, I began cutting with his "Empowered nutrtion" cutting meal plans. I'm just really frustrated because as I said above, I have lost 50 pounds since the end of my h-drol cycle, and I am still no where near "cut" My arms went from 18in to 16in, my chest went from 48 to 42, not to mention strength losses etc. I'm just trying to fully explain why I'm frustrated. Is this sort of transformation normal when cutting? MEASUREMENTS AND BODY WEIGHT MEAN NOTHING IF THE GAINS ARE NOT LEAN. YOU SHOULD STILL SEE SOME ABS AND HAVE SOME BICEP VEINS DURING OFF SEASON. IF YOU GAIN 3-5 POUNDS OF LEAN MUSCLE PER YEAR AS AN INTERMEDIATE/ADVANCED YOU HAVE DONE WELL. Am I just expecting too much? YES! I just feel somethings wrong. THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG-YOUR BODY FAT LEVELS GOT SKY HIGH AND YOU NEED TO LEAN DOWN AND STOP WORRYING ABOUT WEIGHT AND MEASUREMENTS IF YOUR GOAL IS TO LOOK LIKE A BODYBUILDER . Can you PLEASE help me with all of this, I'll post my current diet, cardio, whatever you want, but I need you to set me straight. I would GREATLY appreciate it. YOU ALSO NEED TO BE USING PLENTY OF GEAR WHEN YOU CUT OR YOU CAN LOSE MORE MUSCLE THAN FAT.

    p.s. I have been losing the 1-2 pounds/week following the carb cycling, but I don't seem to look any leaner. IT'S ONLY BEEN 3 WEEKS!

    p.s.s. What's your take on Vince Delmonte? NEVER HEARD OF THE GUY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by juicedupmonkey View Post
    meal 1: Around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams fat) 1 cup oatmeal (60 grams of carbs). (add 10 almonds to this meal in order to get some fat in your system and prevent blood sugar crashes during afternoon)

    meal 2: Around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams of fat) and 45grams of cheese (14 grams protein, 15 grams fat) (take out cheese/fats and eat protein only for this meal)

    meal 3: Tuna(2 cans) (60 grams of protein) 3 tbs olive oil mayo (15 grams of fat) 45 grams of cheese (14 grams protein, 15 grams fat) (take in 30 grams of carbs with this meal and take out all fats)

    meal 4: Around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams fat) 2/3 cup oatmeal (40 grams of carbs). (looks good)

    (workout)

    meal 5: Around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams of fat) 1 banana (25grams of carbs) (looks good)

    meal 6: Around 6oz baked chicken breast (55 grams of protein, 5 grams fat) with 1 tablespoon of smart balance peanut butter (8 grams of fat) (do 2 table spoons of peanut butter starting out)

    that turns into approximately 363 grams protein, (only 125 grams carbs), and around 78 grams of fat. Calories = 2654

    on none workout days i just switch all my carb meals to the first and second meal... And make the other 4 meals pro/fat then it brings my macros to about this (have two high carb days-on leg day and back day. Reduce protein calries by around half and increase carbs to around 250 per day.) 377 grams of protein, 100grams of carbs, and 93 grams of fat
    calories = 2745

    i know i don't have any whey in there or egg whites... I currently have alot of chicken stocked and no money for whey protein (just started new job and don't get paid for a while) and egg whites i will start taking those again when i get money... (i use to for a long time)
    my total daily calorie requirement is about 3300-3400
    oh also i'm 6' 225lbs, 24 years old

    p.s i use cheese because i work construction at the moment, it is easiest to bring with me instead of olive oil, when it times to eat on the job site i can just take the chicken and cheese out of my pocket and munch it down quick... It's just the easiest thing for me. (you do not need either while at work! Take in fats for breakfast and at bed time only)
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    [QUOTE=Juicedupmonkey;5133021]
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    Yes i'm in a cutting phase, The first half of my Cycle was a bulk then i had to switch over to cutting for the other half. I was planning on it being just a bulk but I didn't realize it was coming to the summer months so quickly and decided i should shed some BF. So i posted up my diet as it is now, Since i'm starting PCT on Monday should i bump my calories up to maintenance? until i'm done PCT? to maybe preserve muscle? or keep it where it is below Maintenance? JUST STAY BELOW MAINTENANCE IF STILL WANTING TO LOSE BODY FAT. ALSO, GOING OFF STEROIDS WHEN CUTTING DOWN IS A BIG MISTAKE IMO AS YOU WILL LOSE TOO MUCH MUSCLE! And HCG ... Should i be injecting that into the muscle or some fat? FAT BUT EITHER WAY WORKS does it matter?
    Just to Clarify say a 20 week cycle ends on week 20 and i'm to take HCG on the 21st and 22nd week? then clomid and Nolva for the 23rd,24th,25th and 26th weeks? ONLY 23 AND 23 FOR NOLVA/CLOMID Making the entire PCT of HCG/Clomid/Nolva 6 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba373 View Post
    whats better
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    Quote Originally Posted by vascular vince View Post
    ronnie...you say to train each muscle twice a week when hitting a major pateau??
    yes hit each muscle twice a week when a major plateau occurs from training each muscle once a week.

    Ever wonder why some people who have been training each muscle group once a week with volume for a very long time can change over to a lower volume routine like dc training that hits the muscles twice a week and they make some additional gains? I have learned it's not the rest-pause training,etc. What's really going on is that you are now doing less volume and hitting each muscle with more frequency (twice a week)!

    This kind of training is good to do on occasion once staleness occurs but it's not the best way to train for the long haul. Training each muscle once a week while using the slingshot approach is superior as a baseline but twice a week muscle group training (for example 3-6 sets done twice per week (totalling 6-12 sets total per week for each muscle) using the slingshot approach should be a part of everyone's plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    So do I keep my fat intake the same? Just take fat out of some meals and put it into other ones? And with the changes you made it bring up my carbs to 155. And I'll increase calories to maintenance to preserve muscle

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    Quote Originally Posted by coca cola View Post
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    what do u mean when u say hcg only last around a week in a sterile water? Does that mean a week after being mixed with sterile water the hcg loses its potency? Or it means that there is higher risk of bacterial growth, therefore not safe to use anymore? i mean there is a possible build-up of bacteria. The level of bacteria has nothing to do with the potency!

    been scouring around the forum and i found this:

    "hgh should ideally be used for 20-30 week cycles (or longer). The dosage should be between 2-3iu per day if you are using gh primarily for fat loss, 4-5 iu’s a day for both fat loss and muscle growth, and approximately 1.0 – 2.0 iu’s a day for females. It is best to split your injections 1/2 first thing in the morning, 1/2 early afternoon if your dose is above 3.0 iu’s per day. Your pituitary will naturally produce about 6-9 pulses of gh per day. Each injection you take will create a negative feedback loop that will suppress these pulses for about 4 hours. By taking your injections first thing in the morning and early afternoon you will still allow your body to release its biggest pulse, which normally occurs shortly after going to sleep at night." i disagree with this article!last time you told me the best way to take hgh is to take the whole 4iu at night before bed time, what's ur take on the possibility of suppressing the night time natural gh release when taking exogenous hgh before going to bed at night? take it all at night and you will get a better fat loss effect. Your night time release of natural gh release will be shut down by taking gh in the morning as well. Any form of exogenous test will shut down your natural test production all day long therefore any form of exogenous gh (regardless of when it's taken) will shut down your natural gh production all day long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juicedupmonkey View Post
    so do i keep my fat intake the same? i reduced them! Just take fat out of some meals and put it into other ones? no keep fats to what i suggested (breakfast and night time only if you want to stay lean as possible ) and with the changes you made it bring up my carbs to 155. yes and i'll increase calories to maintenance to preserve muscle i would since you are coming off
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    Ronnie for the 8 weeks on , 2 weeks cruise, then 8 weeks on

    with long esters wouldn't 8 weeks be too short? if not then wouldn't you want to do short esters for something like 6 weeks? just curious because i want to do test e/tren e/Dbol for the first re-load then test e/tren e/masteron for the 2nd re-load (might just do short esters for the 2nd reload test p/tren ace/masteron p)

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    this is what I was planning:

    phase 1:

    weeks: 1-4 Dbol : 40mg ed
    weeks 1-8 Test E: 500mg ew
    weeks 1-8 Tren E: 400mg ew


    De-load: Test E @ 250mg ew


    Phase 2:

    weeks 1-8: Test E @ 250 mg ew
    weeks 1-8: Tren A @ 75mg ed
    weeks 1-8: Masteron @ 100mg ed

    De-load: Test E @ 250mg ew

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    Quote Originally Posted by laduem88 View Post
    Ronnie for the 8 weeks on , 2 weeks cruise, then 8 weeks on

    with long esters wouldn't 8 weeks be too short? Absolutely not! Just because it takes a couple of weeks to kick in hard does not mean it's not already working to build muscle. if not then wouldn't you want to do short esters for something like 6 weeks? No need stay with 8 weeks. just curious because i want to do test e/tren e/Dbol for the first re-load then test e/tren e/masteron for the 2nd re-load (might just do short esters for the 2nd reload test p/tren ace/masteron p)stay with 8 week reloads regardless ester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    cool thanks...so what do you think of this lay out? anything you would change?

    phase 1:

    weeks: 1-4 Dbol : 40mg ed
    weeks 1-8 Test E: 500mg ew
    weeks 1-8 Tren E: 400mg ew


    De-load: Test E @ 250mg ew


    Phase 2:

    weeks 1-8: Test E @ 250 mg ew
    *(test e is already kicked in so might as well run it)
    weeks 1-8: Tren A @ 75mg ed
    weeks 1-8: Masteron @ 100mg ed

    De-load: Test E @ 250mg ew

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    Whats the best steroid to order on this site
    This site does not sell steroids , only pro-hormones!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laduem88 View Post
    cool thanks...so what do you think of this lay out? Anything you would change?

    Phase 1:

    Weeks: 1-4 dbol : 40mg ed
    weeks 1-8 test e: 500mg ew
    weeks 1-8 tren e: 400mg ew


    de-load: Test e @ 250mg ew


    phase 2:

    Weeks 1-8: Test e @ 250 mg ew (run test e at 750- 1 gram per week as 250 mgs is not enough!) *(test e is already kicked in so might as well run it)
    weeks 1-8: Tren a @ 75mg ed
    weeks 1-8: Masteron @ 100mg ed ( i would stick with slow acting esters all the time if possible because you are going to feel like a pin cushion after phase 2)

    de-load: Test e @ 250mg ew
    answers above and remember, test is test, tren is tren, and masteron is masteron regardless of ester. So it's best to do less injections using slow esters unless you like jabbing yourself with a needle!

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    nnaaasssttyy,

    Take some time and read all the stickies in all the various sections. They will serve you will and will answer your questions.

    If you don't take the time to read and make an attempt to answer your own questions, that have already been asked a million times by many others, you are likely not to get any worthwhile responses.

    Welcome to the site. There is a wealth of knowledge here.

    Ronnie, thanks for an awesome post! I'm applying it now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    answers above and remember, test is test, tren is tren, and masteron is masteron regardless of ester. So it's best to do less injections using slow esters unless you like jabbing yourself with a needle!
    since you said run the test @ 750mg + wouldent that make more sides when running tren ? its to my impression that you should run test lower than tren to let the tren do the work? plus it reduces sides iv heard

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    So when we're taking exogenous hgh, it will shutdown our natural gh production regardless of the time its taken, just like how test is...

    Ok, so now that brings me to the next questions, how do we recover our natural gh production after being shutdown?
    is there any certain substance we have to take?
    or will it recover by itself?
    how long will it take to recover?


    What do you think of dumbbell pullover ronnie? is it a good chest exercise? is it necessary to include in chest day? how many sets and reps?
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    Hi ron...

    First of all, I want to thank you for your guidance, help, and explanation before.

    You're so damn great, ron...
    I used this slingshot for my previous 10 weeks p-plex cycle (kickstarted with 3 weeks of m-drol) with great result.

    I started my first injectable cycle on April 11, 2010. (Typo, should be : April 04, 2010)
    I was nervous and shaking like a bitch when doing first time injection LOL... I did it by myself in my right ventro-gluteal. Luckily, everything went well. There was only small pain when the needle was going in. I aspirated, there were small bubbles in the syringe (no blood) then I pushed the plunger slowly (about 40 seconds for 1ml testosterone enanthate ).

    Today is my second injection, I hope everything goes well...

    Here is my cycle layout :
    Week 1-4: 30mg dbol per day
    Week 1-8: 500mg Test Enanthate per week (twice shot EW)
    Week 9-10: 250mg Test Enanthate per week (twice shot EW)

    Week 11-13: 10mg M1T per day
    Week 11-18: 500mg Test Enanthate per week (twice shot EW)
    Week 11-18: 60mg Propadrol per day (2 caps)
    Week 19-20: 250mg Test Enanthate per week (twice shot EW)

    NB: I use HCG 500IU per week (twice shot) during week 2-21.
    Then do PCT for 4 weeks consists of clomid & nolva.

    I would ask some question about HCG, ron. I am going to use 250IU 2x per week on tuesday and friday during week 2-21 (for 20 weeks length). Could that long usage of HCG damage or desenzitize my leydig cells?

    I bought 4 vial of 5000IU HCG and 1 vial of sterile water containing 20ml.
    I store my HCG vial in fridge. How long can I use the HCG after being reconstituted?
    I am planning to use 1 vial for about 30 days. Is it OK?
    Does HCG lose its potency after for 30 days?

    I have been searching that HCG can last for 30-60days after being reconstituted. Does the potency lost depend on the brand of HCG?
    BTW, mine is made in japan. I can't read the japanese characters/letters.
    I think it's intervet (not human pharmaceutical grade).

    Many thanks ron....
    Last edited by Yellow; 04-08-2010 at 09:03 PM. Reason: Typo : April 11. Should be : April 04.

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    hi ronnie, i have a question about spot injections - ive tried to research it as much as possible but there seems to be no conclusive evidence to suggest whether it works or not. some people have good things to say but the only reasonable explanation i found is that the the muscle fibres may be forced to stretch within that muscle group to make room for the compound - not sure if this is growth or inflammation. what do you think? i would have thought injecting directly into a targeted muscle group would cause some growth but im not sure if glute or quad injections are better because of how large they are resulting in better distribution.
    thanks ronnie.

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    This was great information , thanks!!

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    [QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5137283]
    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel. View Post
    ABOVE
    Hey, thanks for the advice thus far. I just got my test e and did my first injection last night. My question is, I know ideally one should inject a longer ester like test e every 3.5 days, BUT can I simply just inject at the same times every wednesday/sunday? Or just 3 days then 4 days then 3 days etc.?? I want to make sure I optimize my blast, thank you

    Also, should I take my clen in the morning or before my workout??
    Last edited by Archangel.; 04-08-2010 at 12:09 PM.

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    Congrats Yellow, I just started my first injection cycle ever too. I'm looking forward to the gains big time!


    Quote Originally Posted by Yellow View Post
    Hi ron...

    First of all, I want to thank you for your guidance, help, and explanation before.

    You're so damn great, ron...
    I used this slingshot for my previous 10 weeks p-plex cycle (kickstarted with 3 weeks of m-drol) with great result.

    I started my first injectable cycle on April 11, 2010.
    I was nervous and shaking like a bitch when doing first time injection LOL... I did it by myself in my right ventro-gluteal. Luckily, everything went well. There was only small pain when the needle was going in. I aspirated, there were small bubbles in the syringe (no blood) then I pushed the plunger slowly (about 40 seconds for 1ml testosterone enanthate ).

    Today is my second injection, I hope everything goes well...

    Here is my cycle layout :
    Week 1-4: 30mg dbol per day
    Week 1-8: 500mg Test Enanthate per week (twice shot EW)
    Week 9-10: 250mg Test Enanthate per week (twice shot EW)

    Week 11-13: 10mg M1T per day
    Week 11-18: 500mg Test Enanthate per week (twice shot EW)
    Week 11-18: 60mg Propadrol per day (2 caps)
    Week 19-20: 250mg Test Enanthate per week (twice shot EW)

    NB: I use HCG 500IU per week (twice shot) during week 2-21.
    Then do PCT for 4 weeks consists of clomid & nolva.

    I would ask some question about HCG, ron. I am going to use 250IU 2x per week on tuesday and friday during week 2-21 (for 20 weeks length). Could that long usage of HCG damage or desenzitize my leydig cells?

    I bought 4 vial of 5000IU HCG and 1 vial of sterile water containing 20ml.
    I store my HCG vial in fridge. How long can I use the HCG after being reconstituted?
    I am planning to use 1 vial for about 30 days. Is it OK?
    Does HCG lose its potency after for 30 days?

    I have been searching that HCG can last for 30-60days after being reconstituted. Does the potency lost depend on the brand of HCG?
    BTW, mine is made in japan. I can't read the japanese characters/letters.
    I think it's intervet (not human pharmaceutical grade).

    Many thanks ron....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel. View Post
    Congrats Yellow, I just started my first injection cycle ever too. I'm looking forward to the gains big time!
    Congratz too bro...
    Welcome to the darkside LOL...

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    Ronnie,

    Just finished 20wk reload/deload now going on Pct . This is my first cycle , great gains.

    So Pct and then wait 10 weeks before I start again do you think?

    Im thinking Of adding 1 or 2 compounds next time , this cycle was 500mg Sust up to 750mg sust to 1000mg sust last 3 weeks. Gains slowed dramaticlly in last couple of weeks.
    (I had no sides other than some very minor acne durin deload. I also didnt loose any weight in deload.)

    Im thinking Dbol or Tbol to kickstart/ Test/Deca or Dbol or Tbol /Test/ Tren .

    Your advice appreciated.

    Thanks

    Ylfcm

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