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[JuliusPleaser]

Ronnie,

I'm on week one of my sling shot, im looking forward to the results!!!

anyway,

I read on an above post that bodybuilders us massive amounts of gh to get to the next level...i am currently on 5ius of riptropins (chinese version) and i have ordered 150ius of Norditropin (novo disk) pharmgrade gh...

now i would highly doubt that anyone can afford to take Pharm grade hgh at 10-20ius a day, as its reported bbuilders take in order to GROW from gh...it would costs THOUSANDS a month!!!

from the people you know, what are they taking in terms of HGH dosages to gain muscle?

are they using generics at 10-20ius ed or are they using pharm...and isn't pharm grade better quality where u dont have to use as much...?

i plan on taking norditropin nordilet pens at 3iu a day 5/2 since i was not happy with 6 months of riptropin at 5ius...another board told me that me being on riptropin 5/2 for 6 months only really came out to beint 3.5 months because of teh 2 days a week off, and that my results could have been more had i been on 7 days a week, saying that the protocol i took made no sense if money wasn't an issue...i always read that u should give ur pitutary gland a rest...what is ur opinion on all this?...does it really make a difference?...my boy is on nutropin aq, and he takes 2ius 5/2 and within 2 weeks felt results, and 2 months is now 5% bf...doesn't seem to effect his results...is pharm grade that much better than generic??

theres a whole other post about chinese HGH concerns how we cant even trust chinese generics anymore, or brands for that matter!

also, i was reading that one should cycle off GH therapy after a while since the body will become accostumed to the dosages, therefore one should stop therapy for a month, increase dosages, or upgrade quality...

what are your thoughts on all this? thank u

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

I've just read through your thread on STS and I must say I was blown away! I've been doing the CKD diet and the STS works in perfect with that (wanting to lose BF but lose no muscle).

I know it's been quite a while since you wrote the thread, but are you still providing advice? If so please let me know - I have a few questions regarding my STS training, CKD diet, and cycle.

Currently doing my 3rd cycle at 500 test e a week (I generally do small cycles for building muscle and getting cut but not looking to get huge and started 3 weeks ago). Also, using d-bol to kick start first 4 weeks of cycle.

One important question I have, for now, is that I want to cruise during deload...what dose would you suggest during this 2 week period? Considering I'm only taking the 500mg a week during reload. Would 100mg's a week suffice or more? Go with 200 mgs per week and feel free to ask questions concerning Slingshot Training in this thread!
Cheers Ronnie
Oker
BKK

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[Ronnie Rowland]

big ronnie....what would cause an.... irregular heartbeat.... after doing a show???? Brother was taking test...tren...winstrol...clen...t-3....

Sounds like hyper thyroidism caused by the t-3. Fatigue is usually accompanied with the irregular heart beats.I 've seen this happen to several competitors. Usually after about 3 months of coming off the t-3 the thyroid gets back to normal and the irregular heart beat leaves. During the period of having an irregualr heart beat it's wise to reduce both cardio and sets used during weight training to allow the body some rest so it will bounce back faster.

[adlyn]

Thanks Ron for all those suggestion, information and guidance to a slingshots cycle. After considering everything I decide to start my cycle this November or December as I really want to condition my body for the next cycle. I will updating you and all forumer here on my outcome and stats. Cheers! Thanks a million.

[chrisx]

Ron I'm hearing horror stories regarding gyno.

Is it true that once you have it (lump in the breast), that you cannot get rid of it with AI's, that will only prevent it from getting worse? Yes, but the lumps get smaller after you have been off for a while.
If that is the case I think I might want to PREVENT it from even occuring. What should I take to prevent gyno from occuring and at what dosages? I've seen plenty of guys get gyno while using anti-es. And I have seen plenty of guys never get gyno regardless of how much they used or what they took. For maximum reprevention I would suggest you use aromasin every day at a dose that still allowed you to have some sex drive. Don't expect to make maximum muscle gains or have a great sex drive!

I guess I will just start cycle without taking any ai's to wait and see if I am even gyno prone. What do you recommend then I have on hand and at what dosages do I take if I start to see signs of gyno (actually I will wait 2 weeks after first signs of symptoms to see if it goes away like you recommended)

[skeletal pump]

Ronnie, instead of using aromasin to prevent gyno could you use proviron to keep your sex drive?

[skeletal pump]

also ronnie what are your thoughts on tbol?

[oker]

Ronnie, pls critique my training routine - most work sets are between 8-10 reps to good failure (as you suggested). Cheers

TUESDAY - SHOULDERS, BICEPS, BACK & ABS
Shoulder presses
X 3 Warm ups ______kg x (de)pemds reps
X 4 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
Lateral raises
X 4 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
Reverse flyes
X 4 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
BACK
Moderately wide grip pull-ups
X 3 Warm ups ______kg x (depends) reps
X 3 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
Close grip pull-ups 3 sets
X 3 Work set ______ kg x 8-10 reps

Seated Dumbbell shrugs 6 sets
X 6 Work set ______ kg x 12-14 reps
BICEPS
Alternate Dumb. Curl
X 3 Warm-ups ______kg x (depends) reps
X 3 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
EZ Barbell Curl (wide grip)
X 3 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
Barbell Preacher Curl (close grip)
X 3 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
ABS
Decline Crunches (with weight)
X 3 sets x 8-10 reps
Bench Leg Raises
X 3 sets x 8-10 reps
Decline Crunches With NO weight
X 3 sets x 8-10 reps
THURSDAY - CHEST & TRICEPS
Dumb. Flat Press
X 3 Warm-ups ______ kg x 10-12 reps
X 4 Work sets _______ kg x 8-10 reps
Dumb. Incline Press
X 4 Work sets _______ kg x 8 reps (to good failure)
Flat Bench Flyes
X 4 Work sets _______ kg x 6 reps (to good failure)
TRICEPS
X 3 Warm-ups _______ kg x 6-8 reps
X 3 Work sets ________ kg x 8-10 reps
Skull Crushers
X 3 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
Behind Back Extension (EZ bar)
X 3 Work sets _______ kg x 8-10 reps
SUNDAY - LEGS
Squats
X 3 Warm-ups ______kg x 8-10 reps
X 4 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
Leg Extensions
X 4 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
Leg Curls
X 4 Work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps

[The Titan99]

[quote=The Titan99;5304513]Quick Question Ron. I started my Slingshot workout 9 weeks ago. I did a 4 week reload followed by a 1 week deload. I was working with too high a volume I think. The deload worked wonders on recovery though (Thanks!!) Today I start week 5 of my 8 week reload. The first 6 weeks I was doing 400 mg Test C/400 mg Deca . The last 3 weeks I upped the Test to 800 mg and left the Deca at 400 mg. I've used 250 iu's of HCG twice a week since week 5. I started taking Nolva as a precaution against Gyno and it gave me some slight ED problems. I dropped the Nolva and started taking Proviron 100 mg ed for the last week. That Problem is solved. This is my second cycle and I'm trying to decide whether or not to bridge the thing for 2 weeks (200 mg Test C) or PCT. GO WITH 200 MGS OF TEST C! The question is, first, would you recommend the bridge, then one more reload, then PCT, YES, STAY ON FOR 20 WEEKS STRAIGHT USING HIGHER DOSGAES FOR 16 OUT OF THOSE 20 WEEKS. and if so, when would you reduce the Test/stop the Deca? WEEKS 9-10 AND 19-20. If you recommend PCT at what point should I stop the AAS, (Possibly 2 weeks before the end of my reload?) STOP USING AT 20 WEEKS AND START PCT AT WEEK 21 I I'm feeling no negative side effects and would love to keep blasting. Can you start another reload while in PCT, or would it be a good time for a Prime?BEGIN ANOTHER RELOAD DURING PCT.]

Thanks a million, your the man!! It's not too often you get to here what you want to here. So for my second reload, would you suggest 1 g Test C/600 Deca or should I stick with 800/400? OR, first 4 weeks 800/400, last 4 weeks 1 g/600?

[Coca Cola]

Thank for the clarification ronnie!

I'm not using any AI for this current cycle, i will definitely try that HCG only method then..

[Old_usmcgrunt]

Ronnie, I've been searching everywhere on this post and elsewhere, but can't seem to find a more specific answer to my PCT question on Clomid.

I’m about to start an 8 week cycle of Test-E (reload), 500mg/week, one pin/week, on Sunday’s. My PCT de-loading/prime period will be 2 weeks and will include 50mg/day of Clomid. I will then begin my next 8 week re-load AS cycle.

Questions: When exactly is the best time to start and end the Clomid? If my last test-e is on a Sunday do I start my Clomid exactly on the next Sunday or do I let that last Test-E life cycle run its course, which I understand to be about 2 weeks?!

Stats: 49 y/o male, 5’10” 240 lbs, good health, started lifting seriously while in the Marines 25+ yrs ago, recently completed a good D-bol cycle about 6 weeks ago (lost about 10 lbs. water and some size, but have kept all my strength gains).

Sorry if I'm using this thread incorrectly. I'm "forum challenged"!

Thanks Ronnie; I'm looking forward to following your 8 week reload/2 week deload and making some incredible gains!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;5302305]ronnie...do you feel...pro bodybuilding is mostly a rich mans' sport for those with insane genes??? You have to be well off but not rich. do hardgainers ever reach that level if they take enough drugs...n...eat enough protein...with good training???NO! But, if they have perfect symmetry they can go along ways![/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Do you think it is wise to draw first an oil based compound like EQ, then on the same syringe NPP and at the end a water based steroid like test susp?

In this way, I would inject first test susp, then NPP and at the end EQ. It won't make a difference. Just mix it and inject.
Makes sense?
Thank you

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie,

i'm on week one of my sling shot, im looking forward to the results!!!

Anyway,

i read on an above post that bodybuilders us massive amounts of gh to get to the next level...i am currently on 5ius of riptropins (chinese version) and i have ordered 150ius of norditropin (novo disk) pharmgrade gh...

Now i would highly doubt that anyone can afford to take pharm grade hgh at 10-20ius a day, as its reported bbuilders take in order to grow from gh...it would costs thousands a month!!!some can't afford to take that much year round obviosuly, so they take it in high doses for shorter period of time.

From the people you know, what are they taking in terms of hgh dosages to gain muscle? 8-24 ius per day.

are they using generics at 10-20ius ed or are they using pharm...pharm grade mostly! and isn't pharm grade better quality where u dont have to use as much...?yes!

i plan on taking norditropin nordilet pens at 3iu a day 5/2 since i was not happy with 6 months of riptropin at 5ius...another board told me that me being on riptropin 5/2 for 6 months only really came out to beint 3.5 months because of teh 2 days a week off, and that my results could have been more had i been on 7 days a week, saying that the protocol i took made no sense if money wasn't an issue..you need to take gh every day not 5 days per week! .i always read that u should give ur pitutary gland a rest...what is ur opinion on all this?...does it really make a difference?...taking off 2 days could cause a yo-yo effect with your sugar levels and taking off 2 days is not going to effect the pituitary gland in a positive manner. my boy is on nutropin aq, and he takes 2ius 5/2 and within 2 weeks felt results, and 2 months is now 5% bf...doesn't seem to effect his results...is pharm grade that much better than generic??pharm grade is much better!
theres a whole other post about chinese hgh concerns how we cant even trust chinese generics anymore, or brands for that matter! i personally wouldnt spend my money on generic gh. I do not trust it and the legit stuff is still much weaker.
also, i was reading that one should cycle off gh therapy after a while since the body will become accostumed to the dosages, therefore one should stop therapy for a month, increase dosages, or upgrade quality...going off any drug after a period of time is always wise. I would start by using a upgrade quality to begin with and increase dosages as needed. Rememeber, gh has side efects and too much of anything is not good for your body or wallet.
what are your thoughts on all this? Thank u

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[ricky23]

hi ron, if reloding and deloading year round at what point do you think the compounds should be changed i.e tren to deca due to a tolerance being built up or would it be ok to keep tren but increasing the doses, also do you think the doses should be increased every reload until the optimum dose is found and then continuing at that dose til gains stagnate?
would 500ius of hcg weekly during both reloads and deloads be ok, but the anti e will be on hand if needed and not used unnecessarily.
thankyou ron

[JuliusPleaser]

ok so in regards to GH...what would be a proper gh cycle?...how long would you cycle off and on etc..

also, do u recommend to reload and deload GH during a cycle...for example 8iu for reload then deload with 4iu..

thanks ron

[Ronnie Rowland]

thank for the clarification ronnie!

I'm not using any ai for this current cycle, i will definitely try that hcg only method then..that makes sense! Since you will not be using an anti-estrogen during your cycle there will be no estrogen rebound like there would be if you were to come off antie-es during pct-hence no necessity to use nolvadex with hcg for pct in your case

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=The Titan99;5307007][quote=The Titan99;5304513]Quick Question Ron. I started my Slingshot workout 9 weeks ago. I did a 4 week reload followed by a 1 week deload. (YOU DID IT WRONG! IT'S ALWAYS AN 8 WEEK RELOAD FOLLOWED BY A 2 WEEK DELOAD.) I was working with too high a volume I think. The deload worked wonders on recovery though (Thanks!!) Today I start week 5 of my 8 week reload. The first 6 weeks I was doing 400 mg Test C/400 mg Deca . The last 3 weeks I upped the Test to 800 mg and left the Deca at 400 mg. )(DELOADS WITH ANABOLIC STEROIDS SHOULD NOT LAST FOR 9 WEEKS, ONLY GH SHOULD BE USED FOR LONGER PERIODS STRAIGHTI've used 250 iu's of HCG twice a week since week 5. I started taking Nolva as a precaution against Gyno and it gave me some slight ED problems. AND THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD NOT TAKE NOLVADEX FOR GYNO PREVENTION, ONLY IF GYNO PAIN IS OUT OF CONTROL. I dropped the Nolva and started taking Proviron 100 mg ed for the last week. That Problem is solved. This is my second cycle and I'm trying to decide whether or not to bridge the thing for 2 weeks (200 mg Test C) or PCT. GO WITH 200 MGS OF TEST C! The question is, first, would you recommend the bridge, then one more reload, then PCT, YES, STAY ON FOR 20 WEEKS STRAIGHT USING HIGHER DOSGAES FOR 16 OUT OF THOSE 20 WEEKS. and if so, when would you reduce the Test/stop the Deca? WEEKS 9-10 AND 19-20. If you recommend PCT at what point should I stop the AAS, (Possibly 2 weeks before the end of my reload?) STOP USING AT 20 WEEKS AND START PCT AT WEEK 21 I I'm feeling no negative side effects and would love to keep blasting. Can you start another reload while in PCT, or would it be a good time for a Prime?BEGIN ANOTHER RELOAD DURING PCT.]
Thanks a million, your the man!! It's not too often you get to here what you want to here.

So for my second reload, would you suggest 1 g Test C/600 Deca or should I stick with 800/400? OR, first 4 weeks 800/400, last 4 weeks 1 g/600? GO WITH 1 GRAM OF TEST AND 600 MGS OF DECA OR 750 MGS OF TEST, 400 MGS OF DECA AND 25 MGS OF D-BOL DAILY[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, i've been searching everywhere on this post and elsewhere, but can't seem to find a more specific answer to my pct question on clomid.

I’m about to start an 8 week cycle of test-e (reload), 500mg/week, one pin/week, on sunday’s. My pct de-loading/prime period will be 2 weeks and will include 50mg/day of clomid. there is no need in using clomid alone during a 2 week deload. Use 200 mgs of test-e per week i will then begin my next 8 week re-load as cycle.

Questions: When exactly is the best time to start and end the clomid? If my last test-e is on a sunday do i start my clomid exactly on the next sunday or do i let that last test-e life cycle run its course, which i understand to be about 2 weeks?! you would begin clomid 1 week after last test shot, preferrably at week 21 after having been on aas for 20 weeks straight (2 -8 week reloads/2- 2 week deloads)

stats: 49 y/o male, 5’10” 240 lbs, good health, started lifting seriously while in the marines 25+ yrs ago, recently completed a good d-bol cycle about 6 weeks ago (lost about 10 lbs. Water and some size, but have kept all my strength gains).

Sorry if i'm using this thread incorrectly. I'm "forum challenged"!

Thanks ronnie; i'm looking forward to following your 8 week reload/2 week deload and making some incredible gains!

above

[BJJ]

What about now Ronnie?
I took into account your suggestion to run a long ester and also made longer the deload to refresh better the receptors. Also, I included tren a in the second load.

BULKING 1
Week 1-2 Testosterone Suspension 50 mg ed
Week 1-2 Testosterone Propionate 50 mg ed
Week 1-2 Erythropoietin (rHuEPO) 1000 iu ed
Week 1-8 Testosterone Enanthate 625 mg ew
Week 1-8 Nandrolone Phenylpropionate 75 mg ed
Week 1-8 Boldenone Undecylenate 500 mg ew
Week 1-8 Mesterolone 100 mg ed
Week 1-8 Somatropin (rHGH) 5 iu ed
Week 1-8 L-Thyroxine (T4) 100 mcg ed
Week 1-8 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
Week 1-8 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d

BRIDGE
Week 9-12 Testosterone Cypionate 300 mg ew
Week 9-12 Boldenone Undecylenate 200 mg ew
Week 9-12 Drostanolone Propionate 100 mg ed
Week 9-12 Somatropin (rHGH) 5 iu ed
Week 9-12 L-Thyroxine (T4) 50 mcg ed

BULKING 2
Week 13-16 Boldenone Undecylenate 750 mg ew
Week 13-18 Testosterone Propionate 150 mg ed
Week 13-18 Trenbolone Acetate 75 mg ed
Week 13-18 Mesterolone 125 mg ed
Week 13-18 Somatropin (rHGH) 10 iu ed
Week 13-18 L-Thyroxine (T4) 100 mcg ed
Week 13-18 Exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
Week 13-18 Chorionic Gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d

PCT
Week 19-22 Clomiphene Citrate 150/100/100/100 mg ed
Week 19-24 Tamoxifen Citrate 40/40/30/30/20/20 mg ed
Week 19-47 Somatropin (rHGH) 5 iu ed
Week 19-47 L-Thyroxine (T4) 100 mcg ed
Week 25-26 Glutathione 1200/600 mg ed

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron, if reloding and deloading year round at what point do you think the compounds should be changed i.e tren to deca due to a tolerance being built up or would it be ok to keep tren but increasing the doses, stay with the compounds that work best for you while producing the least side efects. For instance, why revert back to deca if it causes you to experience libido problems and tren is not? However, if you do well on both deca and tren you could alterante back and forth every other reload or use one of the compounds for an entire 16 weeks out of 20 then switch over to the other one for an entire 16 weeks out of 20. It's really a personal matter but substituting anavar or primobolan for tren is not going to be optimal. also do you think the doses should be increased every reload until the optimum dose is found and then continuing at that dose til gains stagnate? that really is the best approach as it provides you with the most bang for your buck!
would 500ius of hcg weekly during both reloads and deloads be ok, but the anti e will be on hand if needed and not used unnecessarily. yes
thankyou ron

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

ok so in regards to gh...what would be a proper gh cycle?...how long would you cycle off and on etc..it has to do more with money that anything. If one could afford it they would make their best gains staying on for 6 months at a time. Then taking off 4 weeks then back on again. If ran for 3 months take only 2 weeks off before getting back on.
also, do u recommend to reload and deload gh during a cycle...for example 8iu for reload then deload with 4iu..with gh you do not decrease dosages during deloads. If you ran 8 iu during a reload you would continue to run 8 iu during the deload.
thanks ron

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

what about now ronnie?
I took into account your suggestion to run a long ester and also made longer the deload to refresh better the receptors. i would suggest using only the test-e and drop the susp and prop. I would do only a 2 week deload.. Also, i included tren a in the second load. tren is not recommended for endurance athletes like yourself. I would do winstrol tabs instead of masterone since you are using deca for joint integrity. Keep gh dosage the same throughout 20 week cycle.

bulking 1
week 1-2 testosterone suspension 50 mg ed
week 1-2 testosterone propionate 50 mg ed
week 1-2 erythropoietin (rhuepo) 1000 iu ed
week 1-8 testosterone enanthate 625 mg ew
week 1-8 nandrolone phenylpropionate 75 mg ed
week 1-8 boldenone undecylenate 500 mg ew
week 1-8 mesterolone 100 mg ed
week 1-8 somatropin (rhgh) 5 iu ed
week 1-8 l-thyroxine (t4) 100 mcg ed
week 1-8 exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
week 1-8 chorionic gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d


bridge
week 9-12 testosterone cypionate 300 mg ew
week 9-12 boldenone undecylenate 200 mg ew
week 9-12 drostanolone propionate 100 mg ed
week 9-12 somatropin (rhgh) 5 iu ed
week 9-12 l-thyroxine (t4) 50 mcg ed

bulking 2
week 13-16 boldenone undecylenate 750 mg ew
week 13-18 testosterone propionate 150 mg ed
week 13-18 trenbolone acetate 75 mg ed
week 13-18 mesterolone 125 mg ed
week 13-18 somatropin (rhgh) 10 iu ed
week 13-18 l-thyroxine (t4) 100 mcg ed
week 13-18 exemestane 12.5 mg e3d
week 13-18 chorionic gonadotrophin 250 iu e3d

pct
week 19-22 clomiphene citrate 150/100/100/100 mg ed
week 19-24 tamoxifen citrate 40/40/30/30/20/20 mg ed
week 19-47 somatropin (rhgh) 5 iu ed
week 19-47 l-thyroxine (t4) 100 mcg ed
week 25-26 glutathione 1200/600 mg ed

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, pls critique my training routine - most work sets are between 8-10 reps to good failure (as you suggested). Cheers

tuesday - shoulders, biceps, back & abs
shoulder presses
x 3 warm ups ______kg x (de)pemds reps
x 4 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
lateral raises
x 4 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
reverse flyes
x 4 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
back
moderately wide grip pull-ups
x 3 warm ups ______kg x (depends) reps
x 3 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
close grip pull-ups 3 sets
x 3 work set ______ kg x 8-10 reps

seated dumbbell shrugs 6 sets
x 6 work set ______ kg x 12-14 reps
biceps
alternate dumb. Curl
x 3 warm-ups ______kg x (depends) reps
x 3 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
ez barbell curl (wide grip)
x 3 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
barbell preacher curl (close grip)
x 3 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
abs
decline crunches (with weight)
x 3 sets x 8-10 reps
bench leg raises
x 3 sets x 8-10 reps
decline crunches with no weight
x 3 sets x 8-10 reps
thursday - chest & triceps
dumb. Flat press
x 3 warm-ups ______ kg x 10-12 reps
x 4 work sets _______ kg x 8-10 reps
dumb. Incline press
x 4 work sets _______ kg x 8 reps (to good failure)
flat bench flyes
x 4 work sets _______ kg x 6 reps (to good failure)
triceps
x 3 warm-ups _______ kg x 6-8 reps
x 3 work sets ________ kg x 8-10 reps
skull crushers
x 3 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
behind back extension (ez bar)
x 3 work sets _______ kg x 8-10 reps
sunday - legs
squats
x 3 warm-ups ______kg x 8-10 reps
x 4 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
leg extensions
x 4 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps
leg curls
x 4 work sets ______ kg x 8-10 reps

how many days per week can you train on a consistent basis?

[The Titan99]

Got it!! Thanks again.

[50+]

Hi Ronnie, hope all is well.
I'm going into my 4th week of the 2nd blast and am feel really well and making nice steady gains. Is there any reason that when my 2nd blast is completed at the end of my 8 week period that I can't do another cycle, 2 week deload and 8 week blast. The only reason I even ask this question is because I'm 53 years old and wanted to be sure that continuing the cycle is ok for someone at my age.

As always, thanks
Steve

[BJJ]

above

Do you think that only 2 weeks would refresh my receptors to have the best results in the second load?

Why not 4 weeks? what do I have to lose?

[jammy0917]

firstly thanks Ronnie for this great blog... now, I am 22 years old I never did steroids before in my live but now I am just tired of being the skiny guy so I buy this DIANABOL (methandrostelone) is an oral use pill(10 mg for pill), I read so many thinks about steroids and everybody says basicly the same things (abuse can cause many problems) so my question is WHAT IS THE LIMIT OF STEROIDS ABUSE is it 50 mg per day or 30 mg per day etc... thanks so much ronnie this is realy important for me...

[YoungBuck024]

Yo Ronnie. U helped me with a prohormone cycle a couple months back. I’m on my first reload using andropen 275 and decabol250. Weeks 1-8 I am using Test-550mg and deca 500mg. I’m on week 7. On the deload phase I will use test at 275mg and 50mg dbol . Is that ok to do? Then during weeks 11-18 I was going to use supertest400 and trenabol100. Is using 800 mg test and 200mg of tren a week a good choice? Any help u can give me will be appreciated.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie, hope all is well.
I'm going into my 4th week of the 2nd blast and am feel really well and making nice steady gains. Is there any reason that when my 2nd blast is completed at the end of my 8 week period that i can't do another cycle, 2 week deload and 8 week blast. The only reason i even ask this question is because i'm 53 years old and wanted to be sure that continuing the cycle is ok for someone at my age. yes, you can continue the cycle for as long as you want. Just make sure and go off once a year and get blood work done. Wait 4-6 weeks after going off before you get blood work done in order to allow everything to normalize. Keep blood pressure in check and giving blood every 4-6 months is also a good idea. Some do it as often as every 3 months to keep their hemocrit levels in check. Continue some cardio year round and eat a clean diet . You should actually see your lab work improve!as always, thanks
steve

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[quote=bjj;5310725]do you think that only 2 weeks would refresh my receptors to have the best results in the second load? yes, 2 weeks is plenty! Now if you had been on 6-12 months straight i would say it would be a good idea to deload for 4 weeks.

why not 4 weeks? What do i have to lose? WHAT YOU HAVE TO LOSE IS GROWING TIME. UNECCESARY TIME SPENT DELAODING IS TIME YOU AREN'T GROWING MUSCLE. IT'S DURING THE RELOAD YOU MAKE THE MOST GAINS. 2 WEEK DELOADS SIMPLY SET UP AN ENVIROMENT SO THAT YOU CAN BECOME ANABOLIC AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 8 WEEKS. Since you are using growth hormone you could get by with 4 weeks without losing any muscle. But, 4 weeks is not needed at this point and this is time you could spend making improvements. All you have to lose is -"improvements"![/quote]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

firstly thanks ronnie for this great blog... Now, i am 22 years old i never did steroids before in my live but now i am just tired of being the skiny guy so i buy this dianabol (methandrostelone) is an oral use pill(10 mg for pill), i read so many thinks about steroids and everybody says basicly the same things (abuse can cause many problems) so my question is what is the limit of steroids abuse is it 50 mg per day or 30 mg per day etc... Thanks so much ronnie this is realy important for me...what would be concerend abuse is different for each individual because we all have a unique biochemical make-up. Some are fine with using 100 mgs of d-bol daily where as others cannot go past 25 mgs per day without feeling some severe side effects. This question is impossible to answer with pin-point accuracy but i would not exceed 25 mgs of d-bol as a newbie and i would not use d-bol without test-e or test-c as the base anabolic.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

yo ronnie. U helped me with a prohormone cycle a couple months back. I’m on my first reload using andropen 275 and decabol250. Weeks 1-8 i am using test-550mg and deca 500mg. I’m on week 7. On the deload phase i will use test at 275mg and 50mg dbol . Is that ok to do? no, drop the d-bol during deloads but you can keep the test at 275mgs per week. then during weeks 11-18 i was going to use supertest400 and trenabol100. Is using 800 mg test and 200mg of tren a week a good choice? increase tren to 300 per week and you have a good stack. Add 50 mgs of d-bol daily and it gets even better! any help u can give me will be appreciated.

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[BJJ]

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I see but if I decide to bridge for 4 weeks, would that to be negative somehow?

[avn]

would orals... be okay to keep......... when following deload???

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[ricky23]

ronnie, what do you think the best time for cardio is? i dont really agree with pwo as i feel that recovery and nutrient intake should be the priority and morning sounds good but do you think it should be done on an empty stomach (but the body would be in a catabolic state) or have some protein before hand, but wouldnt gluconeogenesis occur with this? but i think taking in carbs would limit fat burning so that would leave protein and fats before cardio - what do you think?
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[Breetai]

in every thread i can find it says that orals are bad for the liver, just use them to kickstart cycle etc..

ronnie, i want your opinion on orals in both reloadphases. possible to use drol @ 100mg/ed in total of 16weeks out of 20?

[badbeat]

I considering taking steroids for the frist time, i have been working out for about 4months. i weigh 140 lbs and i want to gain about 20 to 30 pounds. i have a good diet going too but i am very confused on what steroids to take for the best resulst and lowest side effects please keep in mind i have gout and am not sure of the effects on it. what do you suggest?

[sixey]

awesome thread, just read through a good 30 pages and only am stopping to post this lol. so for my first cycle i am going to be running test prop for 8-10 weeks (i know your a big proponent of the longer cycles, slingshots, etc...but for my first cycle i just want to do a short and very basic cycle)

anyways, the only worries i have about cycling is the potential for gyno and acne. i know both of these are caused by uneven/fluctuating hormone levels (and genetics to some degree). with the prop i am going to be doing 75mg injects everyday, based on members experience and some graphs posted, the smaller and more frequent prop injects are the best bet for stable blood levels and minimal inject pain. but i am still trying to pin down what i should do for estro control on cycle. after reading through alot of your posts, i see you think that most people dont even need estro control drugs like adex/aromasin on cycle. to be honest i am more scared of the cancer drugs like adex, aromasin, nolva, clomid, etc than any steroid i ever plan on taking. would i be fine not taking an AI during my cycle but having say some adex and nolva on hand just in case i have some gyno or estro issues? i have proviron also and this seems to be another favored option...?

and as far as HCG , everyone has recommended running it during cycle to make pct much easier and quicker, that would also mean using much less SERM's which is very important to me. but i have seen two schools of thought on this, one is running HCG during cycle, discontinuing a few weeks before PCT, then using the typical SERM regimen. however i have also seen some people recommending using it through PCT because it does after all stimulate testicular function.

so im basically asking your for your opinion and guidance in helping me keep my estro in check on cycle to prevent gyno/acne but also not completely kill it so my gains suck, and also if it is possible to get away with using the least amount of SERM's possible?

thanks in advance man, and sorry for the lengthy read, just wanted to explain my concerns the best i could

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, instead of using aromasin to prevent gyno could you use proviron to keep your sex drive? It certainly works for some. I would give it a try!

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