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    Thanks Ronnie. I'll have to come up with something better.

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    Hi Ronnie, I think you may I missed my question from the other day.

    I am 5 weeks into a course of HGH which I intend to use for 6 months. I'm also taking steriods using the STS regime throughout this time. Because of the cost of HGH, I can only afford to take 4ius ed. Now I know from research that i'm not going to see massive gains from this dose, but just really wanted to see how I respond. I also know that it can take upto 3 months to start seeing results from HGH. My question is, if it takes 3 months to start seeing results and say I decide after 3 months I wasn't happy with my results, so I wanted to start taking more, then does this mean that I have to wait another 3 months to start seeing results of the increased dose? or will I see results sooner? and if so why?
    Many thanks.

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    Hey Ron, previously you recommend me on a slingshot cycle. I've already plan to start around November but something come out on September. I need to undergo a training for work which gonna be physically demanding as in lots of cardio and strength training. Do you have any recommendation on what type of cycle I should go on before my slingshot cycle? I need something to help me alot on cardio and strength. I've been recommended by fellow forumer to cycle on, EQ, var and a little of test. What do you think about that? Do have any other recommendations?

    Thanks in advance Ron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    Some of the people I have helped on this thread are newbies and this post is not directed to them. This post is for those of you who are more advanced and are looking to make the most out of your training sessions.

    As you become more advanced, it's important to alternate your training every week. My suggestion is to steer clear of fancy training methods that can injure you such as rest-pause and strip sets. A much better and safer way to periodize your workouts in my 26 years of being a personal trainer is to alternate higher volume (higher sets, higher reps) with lower volume (lower sets, lower reps) every other week. Keep rest periods between sets about the same. If you have ever tried doing high reps on leg day you'll know that trying to move faster between sets won't cut it! The reason I like this periodization plan the most is because it's the simpliest and most effective way to further enhance muscle growth at an intermediate to advanced level without becoming injured or over-trained.


    Here's an example of how to train chest:

    Higher volume/higher reps Week 1:
    Incline press 4 sets of 10-15 reps
    Decline press 4 sets of 10-15 reps
    Flat bench dumbell press 4 sets of 10-15 reps


    Lower volume/lower reps Week 2:
    Incline press 2 sets of 6-8 reps
    Decline press 2 sets of 6-8 reps
    Flat bench dumbell press 2 sets of 6-8 reps


    Week 3: Repeat week 1 and so forth!
    What a great post...
    Thanks ron.
    I'll apply it into my slingshot training & cycle.

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    opinions on....versa gripps pro-series???

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    Just don't buy your juice online. I bought Anvar-10 online. Starting taking it, ate right, swam, and worked out like crazy. Lost some body fat, hardened what I had, and was happy. The thing is, the Anvar-10 had nothing to do with it. Looking at the (now empty) bottle, I typed in the ingredients online. The first ingredient is the chemical name for serotonin. That's an enzyme that is secreted by your gut to help in digestion. The second ingredient is the chemical name for a B-Vitamin. The third ingredient is the checmical name for another B-Vitamin. The next ingredient is rice flour.

    Don't get your AS online. You'll get ripped off like me.

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    Prop combined with E? Good or bad?

    To Ronnie (or other forumers),

    My plans have been thwarted. Not sure yet if it’s good or bad. I was just about to start (per Ronnie Rowland’s sling-shot program) an 8-week reload, 2-week deload using 500mgs of Test-E (already bought), when my physician decided to put me on Prop patches (5mgs/hr/day) changing out daily. I have to go back in 4 weeks for follow-up lab to see if my test, B-12, and D, levels are up within normal range, and then every 12 weeks thereafter.

    For this initial 4 weeks I plan on doing just what the Doc said. However, after that I’d like to squeeze in an 8-9 week Test-E cycle on top of the daily patch followed by 2-3 weeks reload of the patch only before taking my next labs. My physician can NOT know about my extracurricular AS use! (Small town, family doctor, news speads fast)!

    Other than low levels of test, B-12, and D, I’m a 49 y/o male in good shape actually! Started lifting 25+ yrs ago while in the Corps and have been doing so since. I walk and hike a lot for cardio.

    Questions:
    • Can Prop and E be used together?
    o If so, how much E should I supplement to the Prop?
    • Will 3 weeks off E before my labs show signs of my “supplemental” AS use?

    Any constructive thoughts or concerns with this plan?

    Thanks so much!

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    Smile news paper article

    I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

    Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

    Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders

    Congrats to you and Kathy on your success both in the gym and out!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

    Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders
    Congratulation to you & kathy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

    Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders
    Congratulations to you and Kathy!! You both look awesome!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

    Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders
    nice article....ron...your wife can make it to the pros!!!

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    Hey Ronnie,

    I would really like your help please if you can give me some advice?
    I have read so much stuff on here and other places on internet and to be honest its driving me crazy...Everyone has their personal opinions and says different things so I need HELP.

    Right I am going to start a cycle:

    Week 1 - 12 Sus250 @ 1amp 2 x week (Monday & Thursday)

    Week 6 - 12 Stanozolol @ 50/60mg ED

    I will then wait 18 days after last shot, then for PCT: (Is 18 days right amount of time?)
    Clomid: 100/50/50/50/25
    Nolvadex : 40/40/20/20/20

    I live in Thailand and have been trying to get Arimidex but so far, no joy...I was going to take .25 ED from week 1 - week 12.
    (Is this necessary???).
    If it is and I can not get it what else would you suggest/recommend?

    How much should I take and when?

    Also the other main and BIG question is HCG !
    DO I need it with the cycle I am going to take???

    I personally think I do, BUT again I do not know how much I should take and when?

    Again I have tried to buy this and have no joy so I am going to see a doctor so need to know how much I need if I can get it from him.

    So a quick re-cap:

    I need your help with what AI I need and how much and when I should take it? (Can I just run Nolva if I start to feel any problems or can I just run 10mg ED from start to end of cycle.
    And the HCG...Again when, how much, start & stop?

    Thanks very much for your help in advance!

    (I have had some advice on this, but always good to know what other feedback I can get).

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    Hey Ron! Long time no talk. Just a quick Q, I'm sure I already know the answer to this, but just double checking. Today I start PCT, and I was originally going with HCG @ 1500iu eod for 2 weeks, along with nolva @ 40,40,20,20, BUT I did not run an AI on cycle, so I'm thinking on dropping the nolva? I saw you recommend an HCG only PCT previously on this thread for those who did NOT run an AI on cycle, such as myself. HOWEVER, I have read several articles on the importance of nolva for not only blocking estrogen, but also for helping your body get back up and running again. Is this just for those who don't use HCG in their PCT? Or is there any benefit whatsoever in running both nolva and HCG during PCT for someone who didn't use AI's while on, and has had virtually ZERO estrogen sides??? Thanks Ron!

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    Well after reading a lot of this thread, I must say Ronnie gives some good reasoning behind his concepts. I was going to do another 12 weeker, but I'll try this out.

    How about this for my next cycle:

    Reload (Weeks 1-8)
    Test E 750mg, Deca 300mg, Equipoise 400mg
    Arimidex .25-.05 mg EOD

    Deload (Weeks 9-10)
    Test E 500mg
    Arimidex .25-.05mg EOD

    Reload (Weeks 11-18)
    Test E 1g, Deca 400mg, Equipoise 450mg
    Arimidex .25-.05mg EOD

    Deload (Weeks 19-20)
    Test E 500mg
    Arimidex .25-.05mg EOD
    HCG 2500 i.u. EOD

    PCT (Weeks 21-24)
    Clomid 40/40/20/20
    Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

    What about toremifene in place of nolvadex?
    What about using HCG 250x2 (500mg) per week throughout? Would it cause desensitization of Leydig Cells (given it's 20 weeks long)?

    If Ronnie can't answer these questions, I understand cause he's busy, but would anyone else who is in the know on the Slingshot Training Method care to comment on my proposed cycle?

    I'm gonna try to follow the Diet and Working Sets recommendation too. If it kicks ass I will definitely post something favorable about this method. Sounds like the guy has seen a lot of people's progress so he must know what he's talking about.

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    Hi Ronnie,
    What do you know about Saw Palmetto for use in preventing hair loss caused by DHT?
    It's supposed to block DHT from the scalp.
    Can it hinder gains from a cycle during this process?
    Do you know whar dosage should be taken?
    Is there anything else I should know about before trying it?
    I will be using it with Minoxidil btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meat&2veg View Post
    Hey Ronnie,

    I would really like your help please if you can give me some advice?
    I have read so much stuff on here and other places on internet and to be honest its driving me crazy...Everyone has their personal opinions and says different things so I need HELP.

    Right I am going to start a cycle:

    Week 1 - 12 Sus250 @ 1amp 2 x week (Monday & Thursday)

    Week 6 - 12 Stanozolol @ 50/60mg ED

    I will then wait 18 days after last shot, then for PCT: (Is 18 days right amount of time?)
    Clomid: 100/50/50/50/25
    Nolvadex : 40/40/20/20/20

    I live in Thailand and have been trying to get Arimidex but so far, no joy...I was going to take .25 ED from week 1 - week 12.
    (Is this necessary???).
    If it is and I can not get it what else would you suggest/recommend?

    How much should I take and when?

    Also the other main and BIG question is HCG !
    DO I need it with the cycle I am going to take???

    I personally think I do, BUT again I do not know how much I should take and when?

    Again I have tried to buy this and have no joy so I am going to see a doctor so need to know how much I need if I can get it from him.

    So a quick re-cap:

    I need your help with what AI I need and how much and when I should take it? (Can I just run Nolva if I start to feel any problems or can I just run 10mg ED from start to end of cycle.
    And the HCG...Again when, how much, start & stop?

    Thanks very much for your help in advance!

    (I have had some advice on this, but always good to know what other feedback I can get).
    I have the same issues with with all AI's here in Thailand. I didn't have one for my first cycle which was short and fairly mild. Nolva and Clomid were all I needed. This time around my cycle is heavier and longer so I'm going to Samui next weekend and scour the place for some Aromasin to have on hand just in case. I'm definitely no expert but I believe running the HCG while on cycle made PCT a breeze for me last time. As far as HCG goes though, it's definitely obtainable in Thailand, as I'm sure Aromasin and Dex are. Being in BKK you'll find it, you just have to keep looking. You know the Thai folks, if they can't get it, they will say no one can. I can post a pic of mine if you need. You know in the Land of Smiles a pictures worth a thousand words. Read and bookmark the thread by Swifto in the PCT section on HCG. All will be revealed regarding that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by delta1111 View Post
    hi ronnie, i think you may i missed my question from the other day.

    I am 5 weeks into a course of hgh which i intend to use for 6 months. I'm also taking steriods using the sts regime throughout this time. Because of the cost of hgh, i can only afford to take 4ius ed. Now i know from research that i'm not going to see massive gains from this dose, but just really wanted to see how i respond. I also know that it can take upto 3 months to start seeing results from hgh. My question is, if it takes 3 months to start seeing results and say i decide after 3 months i wasn't happy with my results, so i wanted to start taking more, then does this mean that i have to wait another 3 months to start seeing results of the increased dose? yes! or will i see results sooner? And if so why?
    Many thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adlyn View Post
    hey ron, previously you recommend me on a slingshot cycle. I've already plan to start around november but something come out on september. I need to undergo a training for work which gonna be physically demanding as in lots of cardio and strength training. Do you have any recommendation on what type of cycle i should go on before my slingshot cycle? I need something to help me alot on cardio and strength. I've been recommended by fellow forumer to cycle on, eq, var and a little of test. What do you think about that? Do have any other recommendations? winstrol tabs and a little test would be a good option. For improved endurance-clenbuterol can help improve cardio as well as eq and deca.
    thanks in advance ron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vascular vince View Post
    opinions on....versa gripps pro-series???
    good product!

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_usmcgrunt View Post
    to ronnie (or other forumers),

    my plans have been thwarted. Not sure yet if it’s good or bad. I was just about to start (per ronnie rowland’s sling-shot program) an 8-week reload, 2-week deload using 500mgs of test-e (already bought), when my physician decided to put me on prop patches (5mgs/hr/day) changing out daily. I have to go back in 4 weeks for follow-up lab to see if my test, b-12, and d, levels are up within normal range, and then every 12 weeks thereafter.

    For this initial 4 weeks i plan on doing just what the doc said. However, after that i’d like to squeeze in an 8-9 week test-e cycle on top of the daily patch followed by 2-3 weeks reload of the patch only before taking my next labs. My physician can not know about my extracurricular as use! (small town, family doctor, news speads fast)!get off test-e 4 weeks prior to having lab work. If you are prone to having elevated hemocrit levels go give blood 1 week before lab work!
    other than low levels of test, b-12, and d, i’m a 49 y/o male in good shape actually! Started lifting 25+ yrs ago while in the corps and have been doing so since. I walk and hike a lot for cardio.

    Questions:
    • can prop and e be used together? yes! Very good combo.
    o if so, how much e should i supplement to the prop? 5-600 mgs per week for starters.• will 3 weeks off e before my labs show signs of my “supplemental” as use? go 4 to be safe. any constructive thoughts or concerns with this plan? lets stay with this for now.

    thanks so much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vascular vince View Post
    nice article....ron...your wife can make it to the pros!!!
    yes, her work ethic and genetics are there for her age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meat&2veg View Post
    hey ronnie,

    i would really like your help please if you can give me some advice?
    I have read so much stuff on here and other places on internet and to be honest its driving me crazy...everyone has their personal opinions and says different things so i need help. i recommend 20 week cycles not 12!

    right i am going to start a cycle:

    Week 1 - 12 sus250 @ 1amp 2 x week (monday & thursday)

    week 6 - 12 stanozolol @ 50/60mg ed

    i will then wait 18 days after last shot, then for pct: (is 18 days right amount of time?)
    clomid: 100/50/50/50/25
    nolvadex : 40/40/20/20/20

    i live in thailand and have been trying to get arimidex but so far, no joy...i was going to take .25 ed from week 1 - week 12.
    (is this necessary???). not unless you are having gyno pain. Taking anti-es would be a foolish thing to do imo.
    If it is and i can not get it what else would you suggest/recommend?

    How much should i take and when?

    Also the other main and big question is hcg !
    Do i need it with the cycle i am going to take??? it's a personal decision as to whether or not to take 500 per week on cycle or 1500-2500 eod for two weeks post cycle. For a first timer i would suggest doing it after cycle as this will lessen estrogen build up and lessen chances of getting gyno!

    i personally think i do, but again i do not know how much i should take and when? post cycle (1 week after last shot )do 1500-2500 eod for two weeks.
    again i have tried to buy this and have no joy so i am going to see a doctor so need to know how much i need if i can get it from him.

    So a quick re-cap:

    I need your help with what ai i need and how much and when i should take it? (can i just run nolva if i start to feel any problems or can i just run 10mg ed from start to end of cycle. if you have arimidex you can run it at .25mgs eod. If gyno flares up try .05mgs ed then reduce to eod. Aromasin is even better at 2.5 mgs per day because it's stronger but it may not be needed.and the hcg...again when, how much, start & stop? above
    thanks very much for your help in advance!

    (i have had some advice on this, but always good to know what other feedback i can get).
    above

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    Now that I have read all 42 pages, it's time to post. First of all I admire your patience because i have seen the same question repeated a million times (the PCT one!), I myself started to get mad when I saw it posted again and again while u, who has to answer it, remained calm! anyways, I have learned a lot thanks for sharing your knowledge with the board.

    I still have a question though which I'm really surprised wasn't brought to this thread... Especially by those who have switched from the "usual" cycles of Test 10-12 weeks kickstarted by an oral...

    My question is the following dear Ron: for the same individual, how would gains (kept post cycle) compare between a 12week 500mg Test E cycle kickstarted by 6 weeks of 35mg Dbol , and a slingshot cycle of this form:

    Test E 500mg + Dbol 25mg 1st reload
    Test E 250mg 1st deload
    Test E 750mg + Dbol 50mg 2nd reload
    Test E 250mg 2nd deload

    Of course we are talking about the same individual, so we are assuming the same optimal diet and training regimen, as well as same pct... So all other factors ruled out, how would you compare the gains between these two cycles? I'm not waiting for exact numbers of course, which varies between individuals, hence why I asked about the same individual running both cycles. But a good estimate about the difference in gains would be great.

    Thanks again! Also, great physique (upperbody especially) + your wife looks fabulous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
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    Excellent! Thanks so much Ronnie! I really appreciate your patience and sharing of your knowledge!

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    Post hows it going ronnie your post is very useful PLEASE HELP!

    how u doing ronnie im new to this site but i was wondering if u could help me out? my email is stylez520 at yahoo com anyone with legit info is welcome to send me an email itll take 2 minutes to send me an email i just need another legit site id appreciate it guys just send me your email and ill send my few questions asap thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Assassin View Post
    I am at the end of a test/winny cycle and have noticed signs of gyno. My nips have become sensitive recently, I have always had small lumps under them since I was a kid. They are not tender at all and have not increased in size. good that they have not increased in size!

    Stopped using the winny four weeks ago and have been using test en and cyp with a small amount of equipose. to finish the cyle. Last week was the last injection, had a light workout week this week planning on starting pct tuesday (14 days from last injection). Last inject was 320mg en and 320mg cyp with 150mg equipose. Pct planned was hcg for 14 days, clomid for 14 days. I am planning on starting another 8 week cycle of en,cyp,equipose and possibly deca as soon as the pct is over. Up to 450mg of en, 450mg of cyp, 300mg of equipose and 300mg of deca. I will be adding 2ius ed of red top thanktropin as well to help with down time. Depending on reaction to the growth I may increase up to 4ius ed go with 4ius ed

    My question is this, will this reverse the gyno? I've never seen a complete reversal of full blown gyno unless one got off steroids completely Should I run something else to help reverse it? aromasin would be my first choice And, if starting the next cycle, should I keep running something else to stop/reverse the gyno? if the nipples continue to stay sensitive you could run arimidex at .025 mgs eod. if it gets really bad go with aromasin ed but aromasin will deter gains because its so strong If so what?



    I found the Slingshot Training System here a couple of weeks ago and decided it was exactly what I have been looking for. I am 36 yrs old, 6'2", 250lb around 12%bf. The plan is to prime/deload over the next couple of weeks and get ready for a big blast and to run reload/deload twice before a four week prime/deload and to continue this pattern of two reload/deload followed by a prime/deload for six complete revolutions. no, you actually reload for 8 weeks then 2 deloads for 2 weeks then continue cycle until PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilted911 View Post
    just don't buy your juice online. I bought anvar-10 online. Starting taking it, ate right, swam, and worked out like crazy. Lost some body fat, hardened what i had, and was happy. The thing is, the anvar-10 had nothing to do with it. Looking at the (now empty) bottle, i typed in the ingredients online. The first ingredient is the chemical name for serotonin. That's an enzyme that is secreted by your gut to help in digestion. The second ingredient is the chemical name for a b-vitamin. The third ingredient is the checmical name for another b-vitamin. The next ingredient is rice flour.

    Don't get your as online. You'll get ripped off like me.
    please do not post junk information in this thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by archangel. View Post
    hey ron! Long time no talk. Just a quick q, i'm sure i already know the answer to this, but just double checking. Today i start pct, and i was originally going with hcg @ 1500iu eod for 2 weeks, along with nolva @ 40,40,20,20, but i did not run an ai on cycle, so i'm thinking on dropping the nolva? i would try without the nolva unless gyno symptoms begin to appear during pct. No need in spending money on something if you can get by and use that money for more gear. I saw you recommend an hcg only pct previously on this thread for those who did not run an ai on cycle, such as myself. However, i have read several articles on the importance of nolva for not only blocking estrogen, but also for helping your body get back up and running again. Is this just for those who don't use hcg in their pct? Or is there any benefit whatsoever in running both nolva and hcg during pct for someone who didn't use ai's while on, and has had virtually zero estrogen sides??? i for one feel the advantages of using nolva during pct are not worth the money spent unless gyno appears. Time and time again i have seen people who are not prone to gyno (because these people don't produce excess estrogen) come back just fine without nolva. thanks ron!
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    Quote Originally Posted by stylez520 View Post
    how u doing ronnie im new to this site but i was wondering if u could help me out? My email is stylez520 at yahoo com anyone with legit info is welcome to send me an email itll take 2 minutes to send me an email i just need another legit site id appreciate it guys just send me your email and ill send my few questions asap thanks
    you are not allowed to post this kind of question on the open forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@k View Post
    now that i have read all 42 pages, it's time to post. First of all i admire your patience because i have seen the same question repeated a million times (the pct one!), i myself started to get mad when i saw it posted again and again while u, who has to answer it, remained calm! Anyways, i have learned a lot thanks for sharing your knowledge with the board. thank you for the kind words!

    i still have a question though which i'm really surprised wasn't brought to this thread... Especially by those who have switched from the "usual" cycles of test 10-12 weeks kickstarted by an oral...

    My question is the following dear ron: For the same individual, how would gains (kept post cycle) compare between a 12week 500mg test e cycle kickstarted by 6 weeks of 35mg dbol , and a slingshot cycle of this form:

    Test e 500mg + dbol 25mg 1st reload
    test e 250mg 1st deload
    test e 750mg + dbol 50mg 2nd reload
    test e 250mg 2nd deload

    of course we are talking about the same individual, so we are assuming the same optimal diet and training regimen, as well as same pct... So all other factors ruled out, how would you compare the gains between these two cycles? I'm not waiting for exact numbers of course, which varies between individuals, hence why i asked about the same individual running both cycles. But a good estimate about the difference in gains would be great. the difference in gains would be about a 25 percent increase using slingshot compared to the standard 12 week cycle. Post cycle you can expect to maintain about 25% more as well with slingshot but eventually gains will dissipate when you go off regardless of method used.
    thanks again! Also, great physique (upperbody especially) + your wife looks fabulous! thank you!
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    how many reloads and deloads can you do without ruining yourself

    reload
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    reload
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    and PCT for a month?

    then can u continue this again and so fourth...or do u stop for a while...basically how many reloads and deload blasts per year?...do u take a while off after you do say.2-3 in a year?

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    "the difference in gains would be about a 25 percent increase using slingshot compared to the standard 12 week cycle. Post cycle you can expect to maintain about 25% more as well with slingshot but eventually gains will dissipate when you go off regardless of method used."
    Is this true even if the weight achieved is still under the genetic max weight? Or is it only true if u surpass your genetic max?
    Thanks.

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    Perfect! Just the answer I was looking for, thanks Ron. Here are a couple final pics of me at the end of my 20 week blast, hope you like em! I just want to say how grateful I am for all of your selfless advice. I learned SO much from you, I honestly could not have done this transformation without your help. I mean, it's such a CRAZY transformation, that I have countless people on here (and elsewhere) accusing me of outright lying about the time line, or just not believing it's the same person in the before and after pics I posted. IMO, there is no better compliment than people not even believing you're the same person. MUCH credit and thanks to you, Ron.
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    Ronnie the tren is british dragons trenbolone Depot 100mg. Still keep the dosage at 300 mg a week even though its enthane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by somerandomguy View Post
    well after reading a lot of this thread, i must say ronnie gives some good reasoning behind his concepts. I was going to do another 12 weeker, but i'll try this out.

    How about this for my next cycle:

    Reload (weeks 1-8)
    test e 750mg, deca 300mg, equipoise 400mg
    arimidex .25-.05 mg eod

    deload (weeks 9-10)
    test e 500mg
    arimidex .25-.05mg eod

    reload (weeks 11-18)
    test e 1g, deca 400mg, equipoise 450mg
    arimidex .25-.05mg eod

    deload (weeks 19-20)
    test e 500mg
    arimidex .25-.05mg eod
    hcg 2500 i.u. Eod

    20 week slingshot cycle looks good! I would take eq up to 800 during second reload

    pct (weeks 21-24)
    clomid 40/40/20/20
    nolvadex 40/40/20/20

    what about toremifene in place of nolvadex? why not just stay with arimidex for pct since you already have it on hand?
    what about using hcg 250x2 (500mg) per week throughout? Would it cause desensitization of leydig cells (given it's 20 weeks long)? no, but i would incorporate this protocol during the second reload only.

    if ronnie can't answer these questions, i understand cause he's busy, but would anyone else who is in the know on the slingshot training method care to comment on my proposed cycle?

    I'm gonna try to follow the diet and working sets recommendation too. If it kicks ass i will definitely post something favorable about this method. Sounds like the guy has seen a lot of people's progress so he must know what he's talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juliuspleaser View Post
    how many reloads and deloads can you do without ruining yourself honestly, no one knows! When it comes to the human body anything can happen as everyone is wired different. I can tell you i have seen no problems with 20 week cycles. So, if you want to play it safe stay with a reload/deload/reload/deload then pct and stay clean for 10 weeks (including pct time which last 2-4 weeks depending on whether or not hcg alone is used or anti-es are used). When anties/and or clomid are used do a 4 week pct. With hcg alone 2 weeks will work. reload
    deload
    reload
    deload

    and pct for a month? yes!
    then can u continue this again and so fourth...or do u stop for a while...basically how many reloads and deload blasts per year?...do u take a while off after you do say.2-3 in a year? most competitors rarely go off-hence they reload and deload pretty much year round without ever coming completely off. It's the norm for recreational bodybuilders to do 20 weeks on and 6-10 weeks off. I would take 10 weeks off just to be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d@k View Post
    "the difference in gains would be about a 25 percent increase using slingshot compared to the standard 12 week cycle. Post cycle you can expect to maintain about 25% more as well with slingshot but eventually gains will dissipate when you go off regardless of method used."
    is this true even if the weight achieved is still under the genetic max weight? Or is it only true if u surpass your genetic max? only if you surpass your natural genetic potential will you lose muscle when coming off. If you use enough growth hormone when coming off you will maintain most, if not all, of your lean muscle mass gains (minus water weight and some strength) even if you have surpassed your genetic potential.
    thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngbuck024;533***5
    ronnie the tren is british dragons trenbolone depot 100mg. Still keep the dosage at 300 mg a week even though its enthane?3-400 per week is a good dosage. If you are a first time tren user stay with 300.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel. View Post
    Perfect! Just the answer I was looking for, thanks Ron. Here are a couple final pics of me at the end of my 20 week blast, hope you like em! I just want to say how grateful I am for all of your selfless advice. I learned SO much from you, I honestly could not have done this transformation without your help. I mean, it's such a CRAZY transformation, that I have countless people on here (and elsewhere) accusing me of outright lying about the time line, or just not believing it's the same person in the before and after pics I posted. IMO, there is no better compliment than people not even believing you're the same person. MUCH credit and thanks to you, Ron.
    I AM HAPPY TO SEE YOUR SUCCESS WITH SLINGSHOT TRAINING. I AM NOT SURPRISED IN THE LEAST BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THESE KINDS OF TRANSFORMATIONS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. YOU FOLLOWED IT AS OUTLINED AND THE PICS ARE PROOF THAT IT WORKED AND WORKED WELL!

    NOTE: You will probably be interested in reading what a pro-bodybuilder has to say about Slingshot Training-
    http://www.trickyjackson.com/training/

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