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    It got nothing to do with bf loss. Look at the big picture, long term of guys using gear when it’s not warranted, then can do it easily with juice. They are just lazy, I believe you should earn your cycles...... everyone of them. They risk long term issues over some that can be achieved with some work and dedication.
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    I totally agree about not giving advice to someone looking for a quick fix. But that goes both ways, people that are looking to lose fat, and people that are looking to gain muscle. I think y'all are failing to see our point. Your fat percentage doesn't determine if you are ready for aas, your muscle and joints conditioning does. Would you not recommend a power lifter take aas, cause he's not 15% bf, or a pro football lineman, of course not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    How in the F' were yiu able to do curls after two drop sets for delts?
    My delts started hurting reading your delt workout with two back to back drop sets. Actually our workouts are pretty similar.


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    Actually it was a drop set of delts, supersetted with arm curls and incline diamond pushups, no rest just go. My heart rate monitor told me I hit my max heart rate in there a time or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    It got nothing to do with bf loss. Look at the big picture, long term of guys using gear when it’s not warranted, then can do it easily with juice. They are just lazy, I believe you should earn your cycles...... everyone of them. They risk long term issues over some that can be achieved with some work and dedication.
    I believe everything you just said, but I believe someone can earn a cycle without being 15% bf. Like gear said, some of us don't do it for low bf, I'm probably not far from being the lowest I'll ever be. Im different than a lot of people, I bulk easy, but dropping bf is hard for me. What's the difference in dropping bf natural and cycling to put the muscle back on you lost, versus cycling to keep muscle while losing fat?

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    By the way Bg, please don't take this as disrespectful, I have a great deal of respect for you, and certainly hope you don't have hard feelings towards me about this

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    Abs and core:

    6 exercise for abs and lower back superset together:
    Got about an hour of LISS in. Wanted to do some HIIT but my legs are sore so I will hit it tomorrow.
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    Competition season starts on Friday. I do not know what the workout is going to be, but I am planning a full carb-up day on Thursday with one additional meal for breakfast on Friday. Adding 160mcg of Clenbuterol because fuck it, I am not losing my spot this year :-) I did not lose any weight this week and honestly, not sure there is much more to lose, weight that is, fat yes. Looking at a few pounds of fat around the abdomen and some under my pecs but beyond that, not much. I'm still impressed with you guys on here, or maybe you are just not talking about how you feel but MS, you're a fucking robot dude, amazing! Tarzan and charger and everyone else, I am blown away by the dedication shown here. Joining this with you guys was the right decision. Positive guys who do not need to put others down to succeed yourself, just the way the world should be.

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    Woke up after 10h of sleep with a determination that I was going to do better today, no matter what! Started by walking a 5k with the family for a nice lunch picnic. Spring is here so it was a nice 80 degrees and blue skies. After that I came home, rested for 30-minutes and headed out to the gym. Worked back like a crazy person and finished with 30-minutes on the elliptical. All in all it was a great day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    I believe everything you just said, but I believe someone can earn a cycle without being 15% bf. Like gear said, some of us don't do it for low bf, I'm probably not far from being the lowest I'll ever be. Im different than a lot of people, I bulk easy, but dropping bf is hard for me. What's the difference in dropping bf natural and cycling to put the muscle back on you lost, versus cycling to keep muscle while losing fat?
    I agree with you for guys like you, but for the majority of guys that start posting on here juice isnt the first thing they should do, none of them even have a base to work off of.......hence our "status quo"

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    By the way Bg, please don't take this as disrespectful, I have a great deal of respect for you, and certainly hope you don't have hard feelings towards me about this
    Im not at all my friend.....not at all.

    I know its hard to resist GearHeaded and all his talk.......... "yes take this and yes add that"......thats what everyone wants to hear.
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    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    just because your body may be using amino acids for fuel does not mean your in a calorie deficit or would be losing weight.

    eg., you do a 2 hour fasted workout. your body needs to pull as much fuel as it can and will use Aminos. even though later on in the day you consume 5000 calories.

    you can breakdown muscle for fuel in a bulk , you can also convert dietary protein for fuel in a bulk as well. so your not losing weight but your body still has ammonia from the nitrogen breakdown of aminos. and if its in excess you'll sweat it out.

    this is just what happens if your not giving your body enough carbs for fuel
    I have noticed that smell of ammonia from a hard cardio workout. Totally different smell than when I am pushing weight sweating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Im not at all my friend.....not at all.

    I know its hard to resist GearHeaded and all his talk.......... "yes take this and yes add that"......thats what everyone wants to hear.
    Lol, nothing to do with gearhead, I felt that way before he came along. I know me taking tren for six months was risky, but I feel like I'm more healthy by losing 70lbs. I don't think I would have had the motivation to do it otherwise. Regardless, just glad we still friends

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    A pic of me 31 years ago.....not bad for a 14 year old...huh
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    When did the BF drop to 15%? I thought it was 20%? Hell, I know a lot of powerlifters that are over 25% that take AAS due to at some point in time it does mean more mass = lifting more mass.

    Would be nice to see a part of the Forum that you could only get to if you have over 500 posts and were active for over 3 months. Could move a lot of other intermediate to advanced knowledge to that area and keep the the young ones looking to get into steroids for their first time or the couch patatoes wanting to get on roids to get in shape faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    A pic of me 31 years ago.....not bad for a 14 year old...huh
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    Cool pic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    When did the BF drop to 15%? I thought it was 20%? Hell, I know a lot of powerlifters that are over 25% that take AAS due to at some point in time it does mean more mass = lifting more mass.

    Would be nice to see a part of the Forum that you could only get to if you have over 500 posts and were active for over 3 months. Could move a lot of other intermediate to advanced knowledge to that area and keep the the young ones looking to get into steroids for their first time or the couch patatoes wanting to get on roids to get in shape faster.
    Yea, I think that's the biggest point bg trying to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    Lol, nothing to do with gearhead, I felt that way before he came along. I know me taking tren for six months was risky, but I feel like I'm more healthy by losing 70lbs. I don't think I would have had the motivation to do it otherwise. Regardless, just glad we still friends
    Did you need to take tren to lose that weight? Would you be healthier if you lost that weight without the tren.......absoluetly.........Dont take this the wrong way, Im just 100% honest, you did it with tren because you are lazy and didnt want to put the dedication into diet and cardio. Your post of what you eat says it all.........even GearHeaded said something about your diet.

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    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Did you need to take tren to lose that weight? Would you be healthier if you lost that weight without the tren................
    But when you have a vet taking tren there is a lot of extra motivation to not do other things, ie drink excessive, and get your ass in the gym due to you just put AAS and a 19-nor in your body. But remember that Phen-Phen medication? Yes, everyone would be better if they did it the correct way but not everyone is going to do that, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    But when you have a vet taking tren there is a lot of extra motivation to not do other things, ie drink excessive, and get your ass in the gym due to you just put AAS and a 19-nor in your body. But remember that Phen-Phen medication? Yes, everyone would be better if they did it the correct way but not everyone is going to do that, IMHO.
    Yes but we are talking about being "safer".....thats been the argument all along, dont veer off topic. No need to take tren to lose weight if you eat like shit. Now your justifying using steroids .

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    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Yes but we are talking about being "safer".....thats been the argument all along, dont veer off topic. No need to take tren to lose weight if you eat like shit. Now your justifying using steroids.
    I just do TRT, I have never done steroids due to never having tested positive for them. Now my evil twin brother, well we do not know what that crazy MF has done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    Now my evil twin brother, well we do not know what that crazy MF has done.
    Lmfao.....from some of your post................I never want to know!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Did you need to take tren to lose that weight? Would you be healthier if you lost that weight without the tren.......absoluetly.........Dont take this the wrong way, Im just 100% honest, you did it with tren because you are lazy and didnt want to put the dedication into diet and cardio. Your post of what you eat says it all.........even GearHeaded said something about your diet.

    Still friends right
    No daubt im lazy when it comes to diet, that's my biggest weakness. That's why I said I don't think I would've done it naturally. I've done I naturally before, and don't like the way I looked after losing all my muscles. I thought you'd like that emoji...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    No daubt im lazy when it comes to diet, that's my biggest weakness. That's why I said I don't think I would've done it naturally. I've done I naturally before, and don't like the way I looked after losing all my muscles. I thought you'd like that emoji...lol
    How did you lose muscle? Were you on trt?

    Yes I liked the emoji


    But do you see what I getting at? Now did you have your bloodwork done?

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    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    How did you lose muscle? Were you on trt?

    Yes I liked the emoji


    But do you see what I getting at? Now did you have your bloodwork done?
    This was 8 years ago, I did not do trt, or do blood work. I probably did too much cardio, I was trying to lose weight for my weeding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Did you need to take tren to lose that weight? Would you be healthier if you lost that weight without the tren.......absoluetly.........Dont take this the wrong way, Im just 100% honest, you did it with tren because you are lazy and didnt want to put the dedication into diet and cardio. Your post of what you eat says it all.........even GearHeaded said something about your diet.

    Still friends right
    Now that's the type of trash talk I'm talking about.

    Mic is on you tarzan.

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    I ain't trash talking BG, did you not see his pics!!!!
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    Remember the judging is not to be conflated with opinions and all that. You get judged on your starting vs finishing pictures and that is all that exists in that universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    I ain't trash talking BG, did you not see his pics!!!!
    The more advanced the athlete the more difficult the improvement though

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Remember the judging is not to be conflated with opinions and all that. You get judged on your starting vs finishing pictures and that is all that exists in that universe.
    Shit, I am going to have to wear the same underwear I had on to notice a difference other than my belly looks more like jelly now. I have had to buy more new clothing, even gym tight underwear, and shorts. I do not remember the last time my waist was so small. Now I have fit clothing, semi inshape clothing, fat boy clothing and extra fatboy stuff.

    I know I have never had veins under my waistline or in my legs like I do now. I know now I should have taken a tape measure at the start. Wife finds it a real turn on, so no matter what the judges say, I have won with her in her book. After 15 years the BJs had all but stopped but now I have had 2 this month.
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    Yesterday, did 2 hours of fasted hiking in the woods, felt great! Would up getting in about 8 total miles.

    Today, an hour of fasted hiking. Need to hydrate more as I don’t think I drink enough water.

    More kicking ass to come!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger_Murtaugh View Post
    Tren makes you loose weight?

    My research shows that aas add weight?



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    It would be a very sad thing to believe you just take AAS and lose fat or gain muscle just because

    You lose fat by consuming less calories than you expend. You can use some stuff that will aid in this but your diet and training is what will make or break your results. The same goes for building muscle and getting stronger. You break down your muscles in the gym and repair when not training. AAS will enhance the recovery and repair process but without training you can expect pretty much nothing in terms of results.

    Any commercial you see of taking this or that or 20 minute workout once a week to get these results, is just a attempt to take dollars from your pocket to theirs. The only person who will just blurt out a bunch of compounds for you to use is a dealer in the gym. They'll also not give a shit if youre doing things right or if you get sides or if you can recover from the AAS cycle, as long as they got paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger_Murtaugh View Post
    Tren makes you loose weight?

    My research shows that aas add weight?



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    Tren is used to cut and bulk, diet determines which

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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    The more advanced the athlete the more difficult the improvement though
    I ain't talking bout him beating me in the comp, I'm talking bout him whipping my ass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    I ain't talking bout him beating me in the comp, I'm talking bout him whipping my ass!
    Don't worry bro I'll help you out



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    Quote Originally Posted by cousinmuscles View Post
    Don't worry bro I'll help you out


    Lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by guitarzan View Post
    This was 8 years ago, I did not do trt, or do blood work. I probably did too much cardio, I was trying to lose weight for my wedding.
    Sounds like your protein intake wasnt up high enough for all that cardio.

    Thing is a bad diet most likely means bad blood work, then adding tren this gets worse, then you add in heart disease in men, this is why I recommend diet and cardio over tren. Get down to 15% bf your diet would be locked in and blood work would be better, then take tren and then reap the rewards of your hard work and dedication. This would be "our" safe way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Sounds like your protein intake wasnt up high enough for all that cardio.

    Thing is a bad diet most likely means bad blood work, then adding tren this gets worse, then you add in heart disease in men, this is why I recommend diet and cardio over tren. Get down to 15% bf your diet would be locked in and blood work would be better, then take tren and then reap the rewards of your hard work and dedication. This would be "our" safe way.
    I did do blood work before taking tren , and on trt, but I get what you saying
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    ]Tren makes you loose weight?

    My research shows that aas add weight?
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    It would be a very sad thing to believe you just take AAS and lose fat or gain muscle just because

    I'm guessing neither of you guys have actually ever even taken Tren. just a guess..

    But for most guys that take Tren (without the presence of high levels of estrogen) they will begin to lose weight.. without adjusting diet or training .
    lets say a guys maintenance calories are 2500 and he is eating exactly that, well if he takes Tren his new maintenance is all of a sudden 2900 calories, and he is now in a deficit., just from the Tren..

    so yes you will lose weight just from taking Tren. however you can use it to gain weight as well, but you need to be in a big calorie surplus as well as be taking it with something that converts heavily to estrogen.


    and YES , AAS use is powerful enough that you can gain weight or lose weight just because.. there was a study done where men took 500mg of test for one year and did not change their diet or training, they remained inactive. yet over a period of a year they put on 6 pounds of lean body mass.

    the reason why there is a 100 pound difference between a ifbb pro bodybuilder and a natural pro bodybuilder is simply because these drugs work. period. its more then just diet and training (thats more "status quo" BS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I'm guessing neither of you guys have actually ever even taken Tren . just a guess..

    But for most guys that take Tren (without the presence of high levels of estrogen) they will begin to lose weight.. without adjusting diet or training .
    lets say a guys maintenance calories are 2500 and he is eating exactly that, well if he takes Tren his new maintenance is all of a sudden 2900 calories, and he is now in a deficit., just from the Tren..

    so yes you will lose weight just from taking Tren. however you can use it to gain weight as well, but you need to be in a big calorie surplus as well as be taking it with something that converts heavily to estrogen.


    and YES , AAS use is powerful enough that you can gain weight or lose weight just because.. there was a study done where men took 500mg of test for one year and did not change their diet or training, they remained inactive. yet over a period of a year they put on 6 pounds of lean body mass.

    the reason why there is a 100 pound difference between a ifbb pro bodybuilder and a natural pro bodybuilder is simply because these drugs work. period. its more then just diet and training (thats more "status quo" BS).
    I agree, tren eat up kcals and turns on the body temp machine. I find it hard to stay hydrated on tren as well. That is why I always say that tren is a tricky bitch. Can work one way at one dose and then you add just a little more and wham, big changes. That is why I always tell people that tren looks great on paper (Rating of 500) but you really need to know what you are doing and what you are stacking with it or you can get yourself in trouble (drop weight on a bulk, sexual sides, injury, mood, etc.)

    I know that is a little status quo, but I love tren but I respect the shit out it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I'm guessing neither of you guys have actually ever even taken Tren . just a guess..

    But for most guys that take Tren (without the presence of high levels of estrogen) they will begin to lose weight.. without adjusting diet or training .
    lets say a guys maintenance calories are 2500 and he is eating exactly that, well if he takes Tren his new maintenance is all of a sudden 2900 calories, and he is now in a deficit., just from the Tren..

    so yes you will lose weight just from taking Tren. however you can use it to gain weight as well, but you need to be in a big calorie surplus as well as be taking it with something that converts heavily to estrogen.


    and YES , AAS use is powerful enough that you can gain weight or lose weight just because.. there was a study done where men took 500mg of test for one year and did not change their diet or training, they remained inactive. yet over a period of a year they put on 6 pounds of lean body mass.

    the reason why there is a 100 pound difference between a ifbb pro bodybuilder and a natural pro bodybuilder is simply because these drugs work. period. its more then just diet and training (thats more "status quo" BS).
    I made no point in trying to disprove that AAS work. I don't know where you got that from so I don't understand your response. I don't really understand the status quo reference. What I am saying is you get your shit in order and then add in compounds. Whoever doesn't have their shit in order and adds compound is more than half assing it and risking their health for something they won't be able to maintain without the compound. This is not a difficult point to understand!

    I managed to add much more than 6lbs in a year when I started training and I was basically playing around in the gym. No need for 500mg test per week for a year straight, whatever that does to my health for a measly 6lbs newbie gains, I don't even want to know.

    Also sad you have to put it in a demeaning way to make a point, no I haven't done tren and no I don't care if that mindset wont lead me to IFBB pro status.

    Note the wording in my post, I didn't say you can't, I said it is a sad thing you just take a very harsh compound just to make your body lose some fat or 6lbs muscle in a year.

    It is simply my morals to not use something dangerous without contemplation and analysis of what I am risking vs what I am getting in return. It is my obligation to make sure I don't go around talking about dangerous stuff like if its nothing, bragging about how many CCs I shoot per day (quite a popular thing among youtube personalities too) and create a culture of recklessness.

    I don't get how this is not easily understood. The lifting and dieting part is a way of life, the drugs are there to enhance it. You must be morally inept to not realize this and make a point by being demeaning.

    Whatever you're trying to do with the status quo shit doesn't work on me buddy, I can think for myself, I am not bought that easily with a simple "us vs them" little game.

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