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It is more efficient to spread them out across the day.
Our ability to assimilate isn't infinite. i.e. limitations exist w/ regard to how much we can effectively utilize at any one time.
This isn't the only consideration however.
We also have to look at our body's physiological response to food as well. (among other things).
For one, steady trickles of insulin release keep people leaner than spikes.
So, a meal plan should facilitate such.
Spreading the intake out facilitates such.
Cardio and weight-training aside, what does the rest of your daily activity looks like?
Your current diet:
I won't address the diet as yet.
What i will address are the discrepancies.
You stated your goal kcal... but surpass it.
You stated your macro ratio.. but have not used it at all.
Your fat here is 9%.. not 20%
etc. etc.
Providing that each of the potatoes/breasts are about the same size, it's a workable solution.
I do about the same.
I take out my potatoes/sweet potatoes for the day... boil 'em up... and mash 'em into one huge bowl.. and then scoop out about equal sized servings and put 'em into separate containers to eat at different times during the day.
Works out to about the same thing.
-CNSLast edited by Narkissos; 07-19-2008 at 01:45 AM.
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Sorry... I, as a self-righteous douche bag, was busy ignoring this thread: bulking diet
-CNS
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07-18-2008, 06:42 PM #444
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Noted.
Now:
Originally Posted by Narkissos
What you're doing:
Originally Posted by texasmk4
3300kcals: 330gr pro; 330gr carbs; <>70gr fat
Split over 8 meals (as per your current lay-out): <>40gr pro; <>40gr carbs; <>8gr fat
Voila!
I think you should get closer to that model before you make any further changes.
Before starting though, I think you should go low-carb (i.e. high fibrous carb) 28 days (6 days fibrous carbs; 1 day tubers... for 4 consecutive 7 day cycles)... starting this eating protocol on the 29th day.
Good luck.
e.g.
Days 1-6: 40 gr protein; 2 cups steamed vegetable; +supplemental fat (<>9gr total fat per meal)... 8 meals per day (as per your current schedule)
Day 7: refeed.
On day 29.. start the eating protocol as outlined above (i.e. what you should be doing right now... but aren't)... Then when fat loss stagnates, carb-cycle.
-CNS
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I hate when threads turn into senseless arguments.
It's too easy to lose your way.
If I've missed anyone's diet... please let me know.
Post a direct link to the individual post.
Thanks.
-CNS
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07-19-2008, 02:35 AM #447
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ok.. calipers tend to be off by a couple percentage points, so we'll go with the higher reading.
So let's call it 168lbs@11%
Your diet:
Time to get it closer to this thread's mission statement.
I want you to do a short carb-cycling/insulin -sensitivity boosting eating phase: 21 days
Days 1-6; 8-13; 15-20: 2016kcals
Broken down to: pro: 225gr; 175gr (fibrous carbs only); 45gr fat
Meals 1-7: <>35 gr protein; 25gr carbs (i.e. 2 cups steamed vegetables re: fibrous carbs); <>7gr fat
Days 7; 14; 21: refeed...2900kcals
Broken down to: 250 gr protein; 325gr carbs; 60gr fat
Meals 1-7: 35gr pro; 45gr carb; <>8gr fat
After this point... Get in line with this thread's mission statement: moderate carb, moderate protein; low fat (all quality sources)
-CNS
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Continuing from: Free Diet advice by Narkissos & Novastepp: Intro to Performance Nutrition 101
Having completed the 3 week phase, you should NOT return to you previous diet:
Instead... I'd like you around here:
pro: 180 gr
carbs: 225 gr
fat: 45 gr
Refeed: 290 gr protein; 325gr carbs; 40gr fat
-CNS
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07-20-2008, 01:21 AM #450
Ok sounds good....definetly gives me some direction. As far as fibrous carbs am I basically looking at using only green veggies here as carb sources? Also should I continue to use the same PWO shake or change that also? Should I maintain the same workout and cardio plan?
Last edited by T3/T4 GSR; 07-20-2008 at 01:25 AM.
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07-20-2008, 10:06 AM #452
So I wont be taking in any simple carbs such as waxy maize PWO still just veggies?
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07-20-2008, 11:35 AM #454
Gotcha...ok i'm gonna work on putting this one together...gonna be a lot of veggies haha.
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07-20-2008, 02:26 PM #456
I noticed beans seem to be a pretty high in fiber source of carbs would they be good during the day and post work out to substitute for greens in a meal or two? Also how do you feel about natural PB in this 3 week phase?
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07-20-2008, 04:41 PM #457
Ok well here I put something together...it is pretty close to what you were looking for and the best I can figure out. Not used making a diet with no real carb sources.
Meal 1
6 egg whites and 2 whole eggs
cup and a half of mixed veggies
Scoop of whey
Meal 2
Can of tuna with light mayo with chopped onions
2 cups of green beans
Meal 3
6 oz of chicken breast
cup and a half of mixed veggies
4 fish oil caps
Meal 4 (PWO)
2 scoops of whey
2 cups of brocolli
4 fish oil caps
Meal 5
Can of tuna with light mayo and chopped onions
2 cups of green beans
Meal 6
4oz turkey burger (white meat)
2 cups of brocolli
4 fish oil caps
Meal 7 (before bed)
1 cups of 2% cottage cheese
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Originally Posted by T3/T4 GSR;408***1
Macros per meal please.
-CNS
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07-20-2008, 11:42 PM #459
Meal 1 - cals - 359, fat 11, carb 28, pro 34
Meal 2 - cals - 315, fat 7, carb 17, pro 38
Meal 3 - cals - 343, fat 7, carb 24, pro 46
Meal 4 - cals - 355, fat 6, carb 18, pro 54
Meal 5 - cals - 315, fat 7, carb 17, pro 38
Meal 6 - cals - 235, fat 5, carb 12, pro 34
Meal 7 - cals- 180, fat 5, carb 12, pro 24 (might add a shake here)
Carbs seem a lil low and hard to get right....I know you mentioned 2 cups of brocolli but my macros on fitday don't quite line up but I don't see the slight variance making a huge difference.
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07-22-2008, 10:00 AM #460
Thanks for your time and your advise nark, i'll keep you updated wit the results... once again appreciate your help.
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07-22-2008, 10:08 AM #461
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07-22-2008, 02:16 PM #463
I have potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams never tried cassava...
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07-23-2008, 04:18 PM #464New Member
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Hey folks.
Ugh. I was guided here by someone saying that I could use a diet.
I've been working out for almost two years now eating relatively healthy but havn't watched my diet for specifics. I'd like to put on some serious weight fast and figure this would be the place to come.
For a complete rookie, what do you suggest? I'm dedicated and am willing to follow even the strictest of diets.
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I'd advise you read this: UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...
This is not exactly a 'rookie' thread.
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Have I missed anyone's diets?
Bump!
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07-25-2008, 09:14 PM #469Senior Member
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07-25-2008, 09:24 PM #470
O that one I posted was my bulking plan that I made that I plan to work my way up to after I finish this cut. I was starving and thinking so much about food that I had to make a bulking diet up with my stomach to get over it haha. All these veggies are making me insane haha.
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07-27-2008, 01:51 AM #471Senior Member
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Im am currently cutting. I am 5'10 208 lbs and prolly about 12% body fat. Basically I want to see if I can get to the 8% range. Losing some weight in the process is the bonus. I am currently following this diet I am about to list. I think I am to low on the carbs though. I have no clue though and I am trying to absorb as much as I can. Since I have always bulked my whole life this is all new to me. I only drink water and nothing else.
Meal 1:
2 whole eggs - 140 calories, 12g protein, 9g fat
6 egg whites - 120 calories, 24g protein, 0g fat
1/2 cup oats - 150 calories, 5g protein, 3g fat, 27g carbs
Meal 2:
6oz chicken - 165 calories, 34.5 g protein, 3.75 fat
2 cups Broccoli - 60 calories, 4g protein 0 fat 8g carbs
Meal 3:
2 cans of Tuna - 200 calories, 44g protein, 4g fat
Mayo 2 tbsp - 90 calories, 8g fat, 4g carbs
Meal 4:
6oz chicken - 165 calories, 34.5 g protein, 3.75 fat
2 cups Broccoli - 60 calories, 4g protein 0 fat 8g carbs
Meal 5:
2 cans of Tuna - 200 calories, 44g protein, 4g fat
Mayo 2 tbsp - 90 calories, 8g fat, 4g carbs
Meal 6:
6oz chicken - 165 calories, 34.5 g protein, 3.75 fat
2 cups Broccoli - 60 calories, 4g protein 0 fat 8g carbs
totals:
1665 calories, 244.8 g protein, 47.25 fat, 59g carbs
I am short calories I believe.
Your approximate daily caloric maintenance level is: 3061 calories (kcal)
Your daily caloric goal in order to lose weight should be between: 2061 to 2561 calories (kcal)
Thats what I came up with. What can add or lose you think to get to my goal?Last edited by AdamGH; 07-27-2008 at 01:58 AM.
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07-29-2008, 06:41 PM #472
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07-29-2008, 11:02 PM #473
nark or nova im closer than ive ever been to seeing my abs i can actaully see the top two when i flex i dont cardio after workout for an hour if i do AM cardio b4 breakfest and switch to high rep low rest, do u think In your opinion that would be good for burning extra fat? thanks
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Get it tested.
Noted.
Your calories are understated.
You have not listed the soluble fiber count... just 'usable' carbs.
Soluble fiber contributes about 3kcals/gr
For simplicity, I prefer to go with the overall label claim... lumping soluble fiber in under total carb count.
So in revision:
2 cups broccoli = 22.4 gr 'carbs'... (rounded to 23gr 'fibrous carbs')
It's a dieter's trick.
That rectified though, your kcals are still too low.
Your kcals should be around 2500.
While lowering kcals can come into play while cycling... you aren't.
This is your base diet.
And you dieting style.
Both need to be rectified.
This isn't a pro/fat thread by the way.
My questions to you would be:
Why did you choose this approach?
Have you started?
What does you 'bulking diet' look like?
How long were you on it?
Have you ever tried different styles of dieting?
Have you carb cycled while 'bulking'?
etc.
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Yes.
Make note of the supplemental fats necessary.
On the low-carb days (1-6)... go with 9gr fat (As noted above).
I like a mix of fish oil and lecithin.
so 4gr of ea. per meal.
On day 7, drop supplemental fats down to about 5gr/meal... or 2gr ea. of lecithin and fish oil.
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07-30-2008, 11:17 AM #478
Thank you Nark, i'll keep ya updated with the progress..
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^^Cool buddy
Pics would be great.
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07-30-2008, 12:29 PM #480Senior Member
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Asap. Ill get the gym to do it.
I numbered your questions to make it easier to answer.
1. Just doing lots of reading on various sources. I wanted to map out a base diet at least. Then tweak it as needed. It seemed like it was similar to other diets I have read about. Except mine it seems maybe missing sweet potatoes maybe or yams I guess. Also, I dont like green vegetables and brocolli is the only one I can stomach.
2. Yes I have started. Except when at work. I eat like this at home or my days off. At work though, I eat at the cafeteria. I eat well there, but I consume a lot of carbs. No fried foods or anything like that. Im talking like breads, pastas, high GI foods and the like. I work as a Valet at a large theme park and figure it is ok to do this since I burn it right off running a lot. I am losing weight though. I weighed myself this morning and I am down to 206 lbs from about 210. I started like 7 days ago.
3. Never tried something like this before. Meaning never cared about counting calories. I always just ate and got bigger. I was always just lucky like that. I generally ate lots of everything and stayed aways from fried foods and just drank water.
4. Up until I stopped exercising approximately 10 years ago.
5. No
6. No
Here is me in the member pictures section. I need to do updated pics since I reached my 12 week mark last Saturday. I look even tighter than the "after" pics now.
So far So good!
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