**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[almostgone]

.....but if you want another example, how about a subluxated rib? I've been to the TMC with it when I was younger, my PCP later in life, and it still occasionally happens. The first time it happened, I thought I had broken a rib(s). I can guarantee you it hurts, a chiropractor can manipulate it and it doesn't hurt anymore.....so, again, I stand by my original statement.

[wango]

Yes of course we're good, but the exact statement that K made is " I'm very skeptical that pushing or pulling at a joint in any way changes how the bone sits in the joint, or changes the range of motion". Period. End of story, no qualifying statement.

As someone who was walking around with bacteremia and a ruptured bursa and then confined to a hospital bed for a week and a half and then further stuck with carrying IV pump 24/7 that pushed nafcillin and I forget the other antibiotic for 12 weeks into an artery @ my biceps and over to my heart, and then in order for my PT to begin, I had to be sedated and have my "shoulder manipulated because it was literally frozen. They could not manipulate it while I was concious", I feel highly qualified to disagree with his statement that I directly quoted. This was not gradual and was a single procedure......then my PT could begin, because prior to that the shoulder was frozen.

So, I find his very broad statement asinine and incorrect. It's just that simple.


Edit: FWIW, I had multiple strains of staph in my blood, had bronchitis that was again turning to pneumonia, and had coughed one of the biventricular pacemaker leads loose ( I didn't know this was the cause. I thought the high fevers were causing me to pass out).
Anyway, I passed out walking across the den ( it felt like God had flushed toilet on my world), and I crashed into what was my great-grandmother's rocking chair. Shoulder into rocking chair until it rammed into the wall...you get the picture of how the bursa ruptured. I'm a tad wide and was lodged in a hospital bed the following day for an extended period of time and then pretty immobile after release from hospital with the IV pump lines in the bad arm.
There's a whole bunch more I could list, but I'm tired of typing.

What you said about your sedated shoulder manipulation is in complete agreement with my intent AG. Yup, you had a frozen shoulder that would not respond to therapy (that is you would not regain a lot of ROM) and you needed sedation or to be completely out. That’s how it works, first a manipulation then the therapy begins.

I see what you are saying about FK’s statement, but there is a long history of distrust that PTs have with chiropractors in terms of what they say they can “manipulate or adjust” that does not relate to the spine so I kind of possibly see where he was coming from. I don’t think Fk was thinking in terms of what you and I agree on which requires sedation.

[wango]

.....but if you want another example, how about a subluxated rib? I've been to the TMC with it when I was younger, my PCP later in life, and it still occasionally happens. The first time it happened, I thought I had broken a rib(s). I can guarantee you it hurts, a chiropractor can manipulate it and it doesn't hurt anymore.....so, again, I stand by my original statement.

He manipulates where the rib forms a joint on the spine. But yes, you are correct. Rib subluxations really are painful & that is a manipulation.

And when you manipulate the spine, you are manipulating intervertebral joints.
You could also manipulate a dislocated finger or a shoulder that has been dislocated as well. So as you stated, as a blanket statement, FK was in error, agreed .

[wango]

Now, this statement about GGR's "physical measurements", I absolutely agree. My sister-in-law had to have breast reduction....she's a nurse (traveling nurse) right now, on her feet a LOT and she, like most of the females in my wife's family are "top-heavy". She has a strong core and decent body strength, but it's pretty much impossible for her to maintain a decent posture prior to reduction. I think there's at least 8 or 9 of the wife's cousins or nieces that have had the same surgery done or are in the process of scheduling a visit to discuss it.

Yup, females really are put in a tough position for the sake of appearance. A “large top” really reeks havoc on posture, same with high heels. We’ve had a few friends get reductions, I think many or most times insurance now covers that surgery.

Not to make light of the conversation, I wish insurance would reduce my man-boobs, but they don’t jeopardize my physical health.

[almostgone]

What you said about your sedated shoulder manipulation is in complete agreement with my intent AG. Yup, you had a frozen shoulder that would not respond to therapy (that is you would not regain a lot of ROM) and you needed sedation or to be completely out. That’s how it works, first a manipulation then the therapy begins.

I see what you are saying about FK’s statement, but there is a long history of distrust that PTs have with chiropractors in terms of what they say they can “manipulate or adjust” that does not relate to the spine so I kind of possibly see where he was coming from. I don’t think Fk was thinking in terms of what you and I agree on which requires sedation.

Oh, I agree with y'all PTs distrust of the.....I don't know what word to use?......."play- pimper chiropractor".

For instance, the combo chiropractor/reflexologist types. They push on my ankle and it fixes my sinuses.....um, an emphatic NO! The ones that have a premade treatment schedule for regular adjustments before even examining me....nope, I'm out of the there!

Personally, I've had the best results been I went to a practice that has a chiropractor worked at the direction of physical therapist/ doctor of physical therapy.

For me, finding a good chiro is like finding a good massage therapist.....or even a good PT. If you have a good one appreciate them. They are awesome!!��

I was fortunate after I had to fire my last PT practice because the case manager/office manager just got sorry as sh!t. On the plus side, I met my current PT and she kind of indirectly (emailed me) and let me know things weren't being handled right and she was leaving that practice. She didn't try to pressure me to go where I ended up, just mentioned place and the whole group is awesome. I didn't know that was where she was headed to because she didn't want to influence my decision....that's just how she is. We still stay in contact weekly or so. She's a serious crossfitter/ strength athlete fan.

I would've ended up cutting the other PT practice anyway; I caught the case manager lying to me about being in touch with my neurosurgeon and still have it documented.

But anyway, good conversation, Wango. Happy Holidays to you and the Mrs.!

[almostgone]

Well, time for me to take this crazy @ss beagle mix for a walk. She'll want to smell all over our land and deer drive her crazy.

Speaking of deer, I got 2 on the way home from work about 0200-ish. Hit one with the right side of the bumper and one on the left side of the bumper/left fender.

I did make sure they were dead and not lying there slowly dying off before I picked up random pieces of my truck and continued home.

[almostgone]

Yup, females really are put in a tough position for the sake of appearance. A “large top” really reeks havoc on posture, same with high heels. We’ve had a few friends get reductions, I think many or most times insurance now covers that surgery.

Not to make light of the conversation, I wish insurance would reduce my man-boobs, but they don’t jeopardize my physical health.

I know what you mean. I think Kel got a double dose of the genetics and I just flat out got shorted on my looks.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

There's a Christian pastor up on YouTube who goes out on the street and tells people they have one leg an inch shorter than the other, and then he prays to Jesus:



I think you guys should just ditch the chiropractors and cardiologists and just show up at Todd White's church.

[wango]

I know what you mean. I think Kel got a double dose of the genetics and I just flat out got shorted on my looks.

Can’t speak for you AG, but I definitely got shorted. But hey, we’re alive & kicking (to a certain degree at least, lol), so I’m still smiling.

Hey thanks for the good wishes to me and the wife, you and I both are very fortunate in that department. A life-long love is pretty much like hitting the lottery. Best wishes right back at you and Mrs. AG.

[GirlyGymRat]

Back before my hip replacements I used this regularly. Unfortunately now, the traction through the hips is not a good idea. Plus this is a great space saver. You can grab a handle, rotate and often get a satisfying pop or two.

BTW, higher heels are very tough on the low back.

Also a serious, respectful and professional question please? Are you “heavy” up top (large breasted)? Notorious for cervical, thoracic and lumbar issues. Plus, it can throw off your shoulder mechanics and cause issues there as well. Once again, that question was meant with the utmost respect and professionalism.

My back was so “stuck” guy the likes of Kelkel couldn’t lift and snap back - my arms crisscross , him from behind, lift, squeeze, shake. 3 times nothing. He was surprised. I was disappointed!

Yes wear killer heels. Always have! Still do but less with Covid telework. In the office tomorrow, out come the heels!

Yes definitely smaller thru hips and thighs with less breast tissue now at goal.
I had scoliosis when I had nothing!
My father had scoliosis same side.

Had deep tissue massage today. She was awesome and noticed pronounced back hump. She KNEW without asking I have a HIGH TOLERANCE for pain. That’s a curse!

Thanks for your response to inversion table. I’m going to hold off. I’m going thru a purge and wishing to adopt minimalistic approach!

[GirlyGymRat]

....then you've never seen a frozen shoulder manipulated.

Frozen shoulder no bueno! Shoulders just hard to get blood flow for healing with frozen.

I read your posts…2021 was a sh!t year for you! I hope worst is behind you!!! 2022 has got to be better, right!!

[almostgone]

Frozen shoulder no bueno! Shoulders just hard to get blood flow for healing with frozen.

I read your posts…2021 was a sh!t year for you! I hope worst is behind you!!! 2022 has got to be better, right!!

Thank you, GGR! Believe it or. not 2006-2008 were very challenging. But I'm still here, so it's one of two things:

1) My grandmother always told told me I was put here for a reason
or....
2) My grandfather always said for every positive there's a negative, lol.

[clarky.]

Hi fellas/Girly, just got Arms done. Not 100% after this covid shit, anyway charged on .

Cable curls 5 sets of 12 straight bar

Tri pd's 5 sets of 12 straight bar

Incline db curls 3 sets of 8 then 2 sets of 5

Slight incline db skulls 5 sets of 10

Behind head Db French press 2 sets of 10

V bar cable behind head tri ex 5 sets of 12

Machine preacher 2 sets of 12, drop 1 set, drop 2 sets of 12

Machine tri ex 5 sets of 10

Done.
Only did 2 sets of the db french press as for some reason i just could not connect with the tri's properly. No idea why never had any issues before. Apart from this it was a good session. .

[wango]

You all post your workouts on this thread ^^^? I didn’t know that, how cool ! I was getting the feeling that this was a geriatric thread dedicated to aches and pains.

Glad you are feeling better!

[GirlyGymRat]

You all post your workouts on this thread ^^^? I didn’t know that, how cool ! I was getting the feeling that this was a geriatric thread dedicated to aches and pains.

Glad you are feeling better!

Yup…until I stopped working out…really need to get back to regular. Figuring it out!

[clarky.]

You all post your workouts on this thread ^^^? I didn’t know that, how cool ! I was getting the feeling that this was a geriatric thread dedicated to aches and pains.

Glad you are feeling better!

love it wango, hardly been training for the last 1.5 years or so, covid pish then just so so busy with work.

[kelkel]

Back day yesterday:

Supported smith rows: 3 working 10 ish reps. Pulling some good weight on these. Love this movement anymore.
Close grip pulldowns: 3 or 4 working: 8-12 reps. Strict and upright.
Low cable rows on down angled bench: 3 sets 12-15 reps
Behind back shrugs: 3 sets 15 ish reps with RP on last.

Fried me. Back work has been great lately. Feels like progress.

ps: Had both knees shot with Zilretta last week. Next day feels like brand new. Simply amazing. Then hip shot with regular cortisone two days ago on Thursday. Basically changing the oil....

[wango]

Back day yesterday:

Supported smith rows: 3 working 10 ish reps. Pulling some good weight on these. Love this movement anymore.
Close grip pulldowns: 3 or 4 working: 8-12 reps. Strict and upright.
Low cable rows on down angled bench: 3 sets 12-15 reps
Behind back shrugs: 3 sets 15 ish reps with RP on last.

Fried me. Back work has been great lately. Feels like progress.

ps: Had both knees shot with Zilretta last week. Next day feels like brand new. Simply amazing. Then hip shot with regular cortisone two days ago on Thursday. Basically changing the oil....

Another guy showing off ^^^. Look at me, I can get in a normal workout .

After I finish this coffee I’m going to try to make our bed. Lifting the damn mattress to tuck the sheet in is the equivalent of deadlifting 500 pounds and takes me 3-4 days to recover. If I really am going for an HIT day, I’ll tackle unloading the dishwasher after. The pump that I get in my Delts and triceps putting the dishes onto the higher shelves is massive. That said, advil is generally needed afterwards.

All kidding aside, congrats Kel and I can identify with the night & day effect of having no joint pain; their’ s nothing like it.

Wait a sec, it’s Christmas this week? 2021 is almost over? Did I hit some time warp or something?

[clarky.]

Here is my report.

[almostgone]

Sounds like your foundation has settled a tad....like most of us. When do you get started?

[clarky.]

Got back done yesterday.

WG seated rows 4 sets

DB rows 4 sets

Rack pulls 4 sets

T bar 2 sets drop 2 sets

Straight arm pd's 5 sets these were done supported on a incline bench.
Amazing contraction, first time doing it like this, definitely do it this way from now on.

All sets were 10-12 reps, very sore today.

[kelkel]

Here is my report.

"Treatment by gentle chiropractic adjustments". As opposed to the aggressive, rough painful ones I assume?

Good choice!

[clarky.]

"Treatment by gentle chiropractic adjustments". As opposed to the aggressive, rough painful ones I assume?

Good choice!

I bloody hope so big man.

[GirlyGymRat]

"Treatment by gentle chiropractic adjustments". As opposed to the aggressive, rough painful ones I assume?

Good choice!

I like it aggressive and rough!

[GirlyGymRat]

Been slaving on house. Painted nine rooms, selected shingles for new roof, purchased some used furniture (new buy is huge pain with long lead times), dishwasher & garage disposal installed and arranged for plaster repair.

Had visions of going to gym - ha - too busy! Did squeeze in 2 beach days - very nice!!!
Time to get back to work…and gym!!

[clarky.]

Hi fellas/Girly, Happy New year to yous all. Just back from getting shoulders and traps done.

Seated db side raises 5 sets 12 reps

Cable side raises ^^^^ from behind back

Cable crossover 5 sets 12 reps

Rev pec dec 5 sets 12 reps

Seated db press ^^^^

Front raises plate 3 sets of 8 reps

BB shrugs 5 sets of 15

Done, shoulders were on fire really connected good today, great session chuffed

[wango]

Been slaving on house. Painted nine rooms, selected shingles for new roof, purchased some used furniture (new buy is huge pain with long lead times), dishwasher & garage disposal installed and arranged for plaster repair.
!

Read this and despite just drinking 2 cups of coffee, got exhausted and am thinking of going back to bed.

Happy Near Year to you all!

[clarky.]

Hi fellas/Girly, got arms done this morning.

Cable curls 5 sets of 12

Tri pd 5 sets of 12 straight bar

Seated incline db curls 5 sets 12 12 10 12 10

Behind head v bar tri ex 5 sets of 12

Db hammer curls 5 sets of 10

Tried machine preacher curls and tri ex but could not get that connection, pish so stopped.

Straight bar CG behind head tri ex 5 sets of 12

Db wrist curls 4 sets a side just kept going on each set till i could not do any more. Roughly 20.

Great session, sore as fuck from yesterday. Rest day tomorrow then back thursday legs friday to finish the week.

[Marsoc]

Only 2 weeks in and I’m reminded on how much of a sexy monster I am. Did arms and it looks like a Clydesdale war horse lost its horse shoes on the back of my arms, biceps are looking like I got a mini great lakes Christmas ale kegs strapped to my arms. Popeye forearms naturally so gripping builds em up enough. Workouts are a rubix cube of pure annihilation

[clarky.]

Hi fellas/Girly, well got up yesterday morning and was ill. No taste again or smell, just feel foggy really sick. Crazy shit honest.

[Marsoc]

I still don’t have my smell back 100% and it’s been 6 months. Was about 1 month of being in a foggy dream with fatigue.

[clarky.]

I still don’t have my smell back 100% and it’s been 6 months. Was about 1 month of being in a foggy dream with fatigue.

Ffs that's some time Marsoc.

[Marsoc]

I kinda like it, someone can let one rip and I don’t smell a thing.

[kelkel]

I like it aggressive and rough!

Wait.....what?????

[clarky.]

Hi fellas/Girly, feeling better now, away to do back. I will pop back later.

[clarky.]

Good session.

Wide grip Pd's 5 sets of 12

Med grip cable rows 5 sets of 12

Rack pulls 4 sets of 12

BB shrugs 4 sets 0f 15

T bar 4 sets of 10

Straight arm pd 3 sets of 15

Hammer strength low row 3 sets of 8

Cardio

Done.

[kelkel]

Good session.

Wide grip Pd's 5 sets of 12

Med grip cable rows 5 sets of 12

Rack pulls 4 sets of 12

BB shrugs 4 sets 0f 15

T bar 4 sets of 10

Straight arm pd 3 sets of 15

Hammer strength low row 3 sets of 8

Cardio

Done.

You get much out of the straight arm pull downs?

[GirlyGymRat]

It’s Feb 1st! Started the core challenge!

I’m missing my home gym and regular gym. Closest one which I have membership for is 20 min one way. Seems like a lot of driving. Telework is making me weak. lol

[almostgone]

Finally...finally.....finally!!! I tracked down my massage therapist. She's been tied up with caregiving duties a senile grandmother and 2 of her children had the dreaded virus.

Anyway, 90 minutes of deep tissue work booked for tomorrow!!! I have a terrible knot of tissue knotted up at the area of the trap, infraspinatus, and teres major ( I think).

Believe it came from compensating for the bad arm for so long, but not positive about that. Anyway, I am looking forward to it!!!!

[kelkel]

I Telework is making me weak. lol

Wait....what?