**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[clarky.]

Got an appointment with the chiro for the 10th Dec.

[kelkel]

Why does it take so long?

[clarky.]

Why does it take so long?

Hi big guy, the guy was not taking any new clients as he was to busy. After a conversation with the receptionist i told her i was willing to wait as i have had the pain for so long anyway. That was the 1st i could get.

[GirlyGymRat]

Hi big guy, the guy was not taking any new clients as he was to busy. After a conversation with the receptionist i told her i was willing to wait as i have had the pain for so long anyway. That was the 1st i could get.

I’ve waited for good service. I’ve waited for bad service too lol

massage in interim is an option!

[GirlyGymRat]

Why does it take so long?

You spoiled much

[GirlyGymRat]

A good chiro is a blessing; especially for back and neck tension and spasms. Add in deep tissue work and I'm a happy camper!!

You've got a good plan there, GGR. Flexibility plus a strong core is the key to a healthy spine.

I would add defined shoulders for show!

[kelkel]

You spoiled much

Hopefully

[GirlyGymRat]

Hopefully

Connected with amazing doctors! I’ve gotten lucky once!

CoViD making care challenging in flu season

$$ made on covid testing

consuming resources way from care and delaying treatment. Learned to always opt for rapid 15 min test!

[clarky.]

Did some hill walking on saturday, me and the dog .
Beautiful morning it was, this is where we have our caravan and go to every weekend.

[kelkel]

I’ve gotten lucky once!

Me too.

[GirlyGymRat]

still laying low, nebulizer treatments tried coughing out a lung but put in quite well.

hoping to get a workout in tomorrow!!

[kelkel]

still laying low, nebulizer treatments tried coughing out a lung but put in quite well.

hoping to get a workout in tomorrow!!

I can bring some Vicks Vapo Rub over?

[GirlyGymRat]

I can bring some Vicks Vapo Rub over?

Ha! No DIS. No workout. I’m beginning to wonder if I have mono? so tired. No energy. Lots of sleeping

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Ha! No DIS. No workout. I’m beginning to wonder if I have mono? so tired. No energy. Lots of sleeping

In between naps, watch the best documentary ever made, it's up on Netflix and it's called 'Tell Me Who I Am'. Don't watch the trailer beforehand, just go into it blind.

I'm in the Canary Islands right now for a 7-week holiday, but now I'm on an antibiotic for an ear infection. And now my stomach hurts when I'm asleep, and so I can't sleep coz my stomach hurts. I just remind myself that I don't have locked in syndrome and I don't have cancer either.

[GirlyGymRat]

Sick for 3+ weeks “granted” antibiotic plus corticosteroid shot to treat bronchitis, secondary bacteria infection from sinus…after suffering for 12 days.

It’s ok to use OTC meds and steroids and nebulizer treatments for sinus infection with bronchitis and spread bronchitis to others bc some doctors were over prescribing antibiotics.

Annoying

So NOT shocked to learn still have sinus infection and bronchitis.

I don’t do sick well!
I’m an impatient patient!

Rant over!

[GirlyGymRat]

Got results from xrays of spine.

Scoliosis - I’ve known this.

TKR in my future - I’ve known for 1.5 year but not painful enough, plus been busy travel

My hips are off. Known this but not to the current extent.

Neck is pushing forward (prob from rear end collision at 45 mph no brakes 2010, rhomboids need strengthening, pecs too tight, bone Spurs and losing gaps in vertebra. Eventually will fuse.

Chiro challenged me to stand with heels, calves, butt back shoulders and arms at shoulder length pressed against wall. Slowly raise hands while pressing hands and arms to straight position. Couldn’t get 2 inches raised. Impingement in both shoulders left me wondering if need the left rotator cuff surgery?!?

Go try it. It’s uncomfortable!!

Chiro inquired on previous surgeries- both feet, pending TKR - related to twisted back.

Predicts back surgery in my future or I’ll be hunched over as old lady.

Suggested 3 months of specific daily exercises and adjustments 3x per week. Another set of X-rays. Re-evaluate.

I’m signing up for the program and pray it works.

[almostgone]

Got results from xrays of spine.

Scoliosis - I’ve known this.

TKR in my future - I’ve known for 1.5 year but not painful enough, plus been busy travel

My hips are off. Known this but not to the current extent.

Neck is pushing forward (prob from rear end collision at 45 mph no brakes 2010, rhomboids need strengthening, pecs too tight, bone Spurs and losing gaps in vertebra. Eventually will fuse.

Chiro challenged me to stand with heels, calves, butt back shoulders and arms at shoulder length pressed against wall. Slowly raise hands while pressing hands and arms to straight position. Couldn’t get 2 inches raised. Impingement in both shoulders left me wondering if need the left rotator cuff surgery?!?

Go try it. It’s uncomfortable!!

Chiro inquired on previous surgeries- both feet, pending TKR - related to twisted back.

Predicts back surgery in my future or I’ll be hunched over as old lady.

Suggested 3 months of specific daily exercises and adjustments 3x per week. Another set of X-rays. Re-evaluate.

I’m signing up for the program and pray it works.

Prayers for you, GGR! Hopefully the stretches, strengthening, and chiro work improve things. Please don't discount the situation if you start noticing nerves tingling, abnormal pain, or loss of strength. Ask for a nerve conduction study. Nerve entrapment/damage will really limit ROM in addition to strength.

I know people think I'm crazy (and they're somewhat correct), but recovery after my surgery has been ridiculously slow. Between the laminectomies, fusion of C-3, C-4, C-5, and C-6, the 2 rods and crosslink, and the 20+ pedicle screws, it's just a lot to deal with. Not to mention the nerve damage that was done.

One more piece of unsolicited advice of you don't mind? Please research and find a neurosurgeon with a damn good reputation, go see them just for an evaluation. Just to get their input.

Y'all know I'm a believer in good chiro work, but after multiple rounds of PT, tons of chiro work, and being diligent with my exercises, I still ended up on the operating table.


Edit: One of the ladies at work was offered single level fusion, but opted for a second opinion and had an anterior synthetic disc replacement. She's done very well with it. Her neck mobility is really good. She's constantly on the go.... activities range from awkwardly positioned computer work to lots of walking and coordinating things to make sure her area has what they need. Now, it is a rather large facility, so she'll grab one of the golf carts or plant bicycles for long trips. Anyway, that's just another option a neurosurgeon might offer?

[GirlyGymRat]

Thx AG! I’m sorry you are having the challenges! Feeling overwhelmed by your post - I had no idea the extent of your situation. My spirits have been lower the more my back hurts. I imagine your spirits down.

I need to start yoga again. I could hear spine click click click click with triangle pose just 2 years back. Now I’m so jammed up a dude the likes of Kelkel couldn’t move my back! I was desperate - I met him for first time 1 week earlier as awkwardly if he was ever asked to lift, squeeze and snap a back…this is so out of character for me! In so much pain requesting out of desperation!! 3 tries and NOTHING! He was equally surprised! This man had height, weight, strength advantage and not single pop.

It’s concerning and having a hard time believing Chiropractor is going to fix. I’m going to have to study your response - This is all new to me!

[almostgone]

Thx AG! I’m sorry you are having the challenges! Feeling overwhelmed by your post - I had no idea the extent of your situation. My spirits have been lower the more my back hurts. I imagine your spirits down.

I need to start yoga again. I could hear spine click click click click with triangle pose just 2 years back. Now I’m so jammed up a dude the likes of Kelkel couldn’t move my back! I was desperate - I met him for first time 1 week earlier as awkwardly if he was ever asked to lift, squeeze and snap a back…this is so out of character for me! In so much pain requesting out of desperation!! 3 tries and NOTHING! He was equally surprised! This man had height, weight, strength advantage and not single pop.

It’s concerning and having a hard time believing Chiropractor is going to fix. I’m going to have to study your response - This is all new to me!

You seem to have a good background in healthcare, so you're already ahead of the game and can probably get some great referrals/input.

If you get nervous or have any questions about my surgery, please feel free to PM me or post up in here.

Edit: I just pulled up the implant info from MyChart. They also put in some "Osteoamp Select Fibers". I had forgotten about those and had to read up on them.

https://www.orthoworld.com/bioventus...select-fibers/

[wango]

Got results from xrays of spine.

Scoliosis - I’ve known this.

TKR in my future - I’ve known for 1.5 year but not painful enough, plus been busy travel

My hips are off. Known this but not to the current extent.

Neck is pushing forward (prob from rear end collision at 45 mph no brakes 2010, rhomboids need strengthening, pecs too tight, bone Spurs and losing gaps in vertebra. Eventually will fuse.

Chiro challenged me to stand with heels, calves, butt back shoulders and arms at shoulder length pressed against wall. Slowly raise hands while pressing hands and arms to straight position. Couldn’t get 2 inches raised. Impingement in both shoulders left me wondering if need the left rotator cuff surgery?!?

Go try it. It’s uncomfortable!!

Chiro inquired on previous surgeries- both feet, pending TKR - related to twisted back.

Predicts back surgery in my future or I’ll be hunched over as old lady.

Suggested 3 months of specific daily exercises and adjustments 3x per week. Another set of X-rays. Re-evaluate.

I’m signing up for the program and pray it works.

Believe it or not, you sound pretty good. Not really anything outstanding at all GGR. Congrats.

[clarky.]

Hi fellas/Girly, hope yous are all doing good. Girly,AG yous are getting there. chiro for me today, first time ever.
I will have the report when i go back on the 23rd so i will let yous know exactly.
After the examination he did some work, Good news on my shoulders, he said there is nothing wrong with them as it is coming from my neck.

My hip is slightly higher on the right side than the left, he did a fair bit of nerve testing and that was all good so that ruled out and disk problems. Something about 4 & 5 on my lower spine are tight or something but he said it can all be fixed.

After the work he did today he did say i would be sore, by god i am sore lol. He said i would only need to see him 2-3 times a year because of the work i do.

[GirlyGymRat]

Hi fellas/Girly, hope yous are all doing good. Girly,AG yous are getting there. chiro for me today, first time ever.
I will have the report when i go back on the 23rd so i will let yous know exactly.
After the examination he did some work, Good news on my shoulders, he said there is nothing wrong with them as it is coming from my neck.

My hip is slightly higher on the right side than the left, he did a fair bit of nerve testing and that was all good so that ruled out and disk problems. Something about 4 & 5 on my lower spine are tight or something but he said it can all be fixed.

After the work he did today he did say i would be sore, by god i am sore lol. He said i would only need to see him 2-3 times a year because of the work i do.

Clarky!

Great news overall!! I’m surprised your chiro only suggested yearly frequency. Less cost for you!!!

My chiro didn’t offer nerve testing. Hmmm

[almostgone]

Clarky!

Great news overall!! I’m surprised your chiro only suggested yearly frequency. Less cost for you!!!

My chiro didn’t offer nerve testing. Hmmm

Two of my nerve conduction studies were done at the physical therapy practice. They had a tech that they scheduled into come into the office and then the results were sent to a neurologist for him to interpret.

Maybe your chiro practice does something along those lines, GGR?

[almostgone]

Hi fellas/Girly, hope yous are all doing good. Girly,AG yous are getting there. chiro for me today, first time ever.
I will have the report when i go back on the 23rd so i will let yous know exactly.
After the examination he did some work, Good news on my shoulders, he said there is nothing wrong with them as it is coming from my neck.

My hip is slightly higher on the right side than the left, he did a fair bit of nerve testing and that was all good so that ruled out and disk problems. Something about 4 & 5 on my lower spine are tight or something but he said it can all be fixed.

After the work he did today he did say i would be sore, by god i am sore lol. He said i would only need to see him 2-3 times a year because of the work i do.

If you get time, see if your chiro can refer you to a good deep tissue masseuse, Clarky. It really gets the blood flowing!!

Congrats on the good report!

[GirlyGymRat]

Two of my nerve conduction studies were done at the physical therapy practice. They had a tech that they scheduled into come into the office and then the results were sent to a neurologist for him to interpret.

Maybe your chiro practice does something along those lines, GGR?

I’m leaving for 3 weeks so chiro suggested wait on starting regimen until January.

adjustment yesterday, I want to start my exercise program now since muscles are tight and short here and too long on other side, my adjustments don’t LAST so asked for my homework. He has a company pulling together an program and will send when ready.

He says Your smart / You get it.

Unsure. He’s arrogant. I don’t jell well with arrogance unless they have an A plus game. He’s not come anywhere close to the out of town chiro. That man was AMAZING! He adjusted pelvis, rib under left breast and moved so much more than my new chiro has ever done. OP adjusted shoulder after massage therapist suggested my shoulder was out (and it was).

I’m going to spend aLOT of $ out of pocket!

Deep tissue scheduled for Monday!

[clarky.]

I’m leaving for 3 weeks so chiro suggested wait on starting regimen until January.

adjustment yesterday, I want to start my exercise program now since muscles are tight and short here and too long on other side, my adjustments don’t LAST so asked for my homework. He has a company pulling together an program and will send when ready.

He says Your smart / You get it.

Unsure. He’s arrogant. I don’t jell well with arrogance unless they have an A plus game. He’s not come anywhere close to the out of town chiro. That man was AMAZING! He adjusted pelvis, rib under left breast and moved so much more than my new chiro has ever done. OP adjusted shoulder after massage therapist suggested my shoulder was out (and it was).

I’m going to spend aLOT of $ out of pocket!

Deep tissue scheduled for Monday!

Hmmm is he a bit of a prick Girly. :/

[clarky.]

If you get time, see if your chiro can refer you to a good deep tissue masseuse, Clarky. It really gets the blood flowing!!

Congrats on the good report!

Thank you mate, he does do this to

[almostgone]

I’m leaving for 3 weeks so chiro suggested wait on starting regimen until January.

adjustment yesterday, I want to start my exercise program now since muscles are tight and short here and too long on other side, my adjustments don’t LAST so asked for my homework. He has a company pulling together an program and will send when ready.

He says Your smart / You get it.

Unsure. He’s arrogant. I don’t jell well with arrogance unless they have an A plus game. He’s not come anywhere close to the out of town chiro. That man was AMAZING! He adjusted pelvis, rib under left breast and moved so much more than my new chiro has ever done. OP adjusted shoulder after massage therapist suggested my shoulder was out (and it was).

I’m going to spend aLOT of $ out of pocket!

Deep tissue scheduled for Monday!

From your posts, it does sound as if he is a dipsh!t. I'm like you, if a person can qualify their arrogance with competence, I'm all ears. Other than that, arrogance only p!sses me off.

If the massage therapist is more skilled than the chiro at spotting irregularities/imbalances, I'd keep the therapist and keep looking for a good chiro!

[GirlyGymRat]

Hmmm is he a bit of a prick Girly. :/

It could be my blind spot. He’s told me More than once that he is a second generation Chiropractor, his daddy probably helped him buy into the practice, he just got married…I heard about his exotic Honeymoon at least twice, with the price tag.

Anyone who has to talk about how much it cost doesn’t have $. I did offer my must does as his honeymoon is my favorite place to visit. lol

So may be I’m just jellin bc I worked my a$$ off to become what I am today.

[GirlyGymRat]

From your posts, it does sound as if he is a dipsh!t. I'm like you, if a person can qualify their arrogance with competence, I'm all ears. Other than that, arrogance only p!sses me off.

If the massage therapist is more skilled than the chiro at spotting irregularities/imbalances, I'd keep the therapist and keep looking for a good chiro!

I’ve not seen results and he’s not as good as he thinks he is!

I doubt he will give me half my money back if his approach doesn’t work.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Remember when you were a kid and the chain came off your bike. The chain was either on or off. There wasn't any inbetween state.

I'm skeptical that a human bone can be not sitting properly in a joint. I mean it's either in the joint or out of it. Swing it around a few times if it's uncomfortable.

I'm very skeptical that pushing or pulling at a joint in any way changes how the bone sits in the joint, or changes the range of motion. That's like someone coming over to my house and opening my fridge door and closing it a few times and telling me hey the door was out of alignment and I realigned it. I call bullshit.

I think as I approach old age, I'm leaning toward the good old advice:
(1) Never for any reason put anything in your ear
(2) Leave your bones alone, don't temporarily dislocate them for a second

[GirlyGymRat]

Remember when you were a kid and the chain came off your bike. The chain was either on or off. There wasn't any inbetween state.

I'm skeptical that a human bone can be not sitting properly in a joint. I mean it's either in the joint or out of it. Swing it around a few times if it's uncomfortable.

I'm very skeptical that pushing or pulling at a joint in any way changes how the bone sits in the joint, or changes the range of motion. That's like someone coming over to my house and opening my fridge door and closing it a few times and telling me hey the door was out of alignment and I realigned it. I call bullshit.

I think as I approach old age, I'm leaning toward the good old advice:
(1) Never for any reason put anything in your ear
(2) Leave your bones alone, don't temporarily dislocate them for a second

analogy of refrig door to human skeleton is oversimplified and not relevant. IMHO

Spine is flexible.

I need to workout, get massages and alignment. Chiro alone won’t hold position when muscles are tugging.

I’ve had rib move. Hurts like hell. Chiro can fix that! There’s a time for Chiro!

[almostgone]

analogy of refrig door to human skeleton is oversimplified and not relevant. IMHO

Spine is flexible.

I need to workout, get massages and alignment. Chiro alone won’t hold position when muscles are tugging.

I’ve had rib move. Hurts like hell. Chiro can fix that! There’s a time for Chiro!

A rib out of place sucks.

[almostgone]

Remember when you were a kid and the chain came off your bike. The chain was either on or off. There wasn't any inbetween state.

I'm skeptical that a human bone can be not sitting properly in a joint. I mean it's either in the joint or out of it. Swing it around a few times if it's uncomfortable.

I'm very skeptical that pushing or pulling at a joint in any way changes how the bone sits in the joint, or changes the range of motion. That's like someone coming over to my house and opening my fridge door and closing it a few times and telling me hey the door was out of alignment and I realigned it. I call bullshit.

I think as I approach old age, I'm leaning toward the good old advice:
(1) Never for any reason put anything in your ear
(2) Leave your bones alone, don't temporarily dislocate them for a second

....then you've never seen a frozen shoulder manipulated.

[NiceGuyResearcher]

Chiropractors are a great preventive and maintenance measure to both avoid and treat injuries.

I currently have this 30 year old who has lots of 5 out of 5 star yelp reviews.

His mannerism leaves a lot to be desired, to put it nicely...I think the poor guy might even have Aspergers where you say inappropriate stuff on accident

I've been going to Chiro's since 1990 and I've always felt like a million bucks right after the last adjustment inside the office

Maybe inversion is also good to treat and avoid spinal subluxations?

Like those teeter hang ups or those inversion boots

Who can forget... "come on, Franco, you lazy bastard" (in a thick Austrian accent) as Dr. Columbu hung upside down from a pole w/ those inversion boots on in Pumping Iron; Franco was a chiro in the 213 area code in L.A. with his wife, who also was a chiropractor. God rest Franco's Soul.

[GirlyGymRat]

Chiropractors are a great preventive and maintenance measure to both avoid and treat injuries.

I currently have this 30 year old who has lots of 5 out of 5 star yelp reviews.

His mannerism leaves a lot to be desired, to put it nicely...I think the poor guy might even have Aspergers where you say inappropriate stuff on accident

I've been going to Chiro's since 1990 and I've always felt like a million bucks right after the last adjustment inside the office

Maybe inversion is also good to treat and avoid spinal subluxations?

Like those teeter hang ups or those inversion boots

Who can forget... "come on, Franco, you lazy bastard" (in a thick Austrian accent) as Dr. Columbu hung upside down from a pole w/ those inversion boots on in Pumping Iron; Franco was a chiro in the 213 area code in L.A. with his wife, who also was a chiropractor. God rest Franco's Soul.

Thx!! I’ll ask chiro about inversion table! It seems that could help or at least not hurt!

[wango]

....then you've never seen a frozen shoulder manipulated.

You know we’re good AG and I’m not busting your chops or trying to be an a-hole, but I need some clarity on this one. I’m stuck on the word “manipulate”. Plus “frozen” used in our profession is well beyond tight and has to be worked at gradually and over long periods of time. Success is iffy. Full ROM is unlikely.

The only time I truly tore apart scar tissue is in rehab post surgically and definitely with not much time passed post surgery. Buy “tear” I mean you can feel it tearing (feels like tearing tissue paper). You might be able to barely hear it if you keep a towel in a patients mouth to muffle the screams. When I would do that it was the last option before the surgeon did an operative manipulation with the patient under an aesthetic. Patients have to know you & need have full faith in you; it is not for the weak of heart for either the patient or the therapist. Even though it sounds heavy handed, it has to be approached delicately - back in the day when I had some skills. Now brushing my teeth without sticking the toothbrush in my eye is considered a success.

[wango]

Thx!! I’ll ask chiro about inversion table! It seems that could help or at least not hurt!

Back before my hip replacements I used this regularly. Unfortunately now, the traction through the hips is not a good idea. Plus this is a great space saver. You can grab a handle, rotate and often get a satisfying pop or two.

BTW, higher heels are very tough on the low back.

Also a serious, respectful and professional question please? Are you “heavy” up top (large breasted)? Notorious for cervical, thoracic and lumbar issues. Plus, it can throw off your shoulder mechanics and cause issues there as well. Once again, that question was meant with the utmost respect and professionalism.

[almostgone]

You know we’re good AG and I’m not busting your chops or trying to be an a-hole, but I need some clarity on this one. I’m stuck on the word “manipulate”. Plus “frozen” used in our profession is well beyond tight and has to be worked at gradually and over long periods of time. Success is iffy. Full ROM is unlikely.

The only time I truly tore apart scar tissue is in rehab post surgically and definitely with not much time passed post surgery. Buy “tear” I mean you can feel it tearing (feels like tearing tissue paper). You might be able to barely hear it if you keep a towel in a patients mouth to muffle the screams. When I would do that it was the last option before the surgeon did an operative manipulation with the patient under an aesthetic. Patients have to know you & need have full faith in you; it is not for the weak of heart for either the patient or the therapist. Even though it sounds heavy handed, it has to be approached delicately - back in the day when I had some skills. Now brushing my teeth without sticking the toothbrush in my eye is considered a success.

Yes of course we're good, but the exact statement that K made is " I'm very skeptical that pushing or pulling at a joint in any way changes how the bone sits in the joint, or changes the range of motion". Period. End of story, no qualifying statement.

As someone who was walking around with bacteremia and a ruptured bursa and then confined to a hospital bed for a week and a half and then further stuck with carrying IV pump 24/7 that pushed nafcillin and I forget the other antibiotic for 12 weeks into an artery @ my biceps and over to my heart, and then in order for my PT to begin, I had to be sedated and have my "shoulder manipulated because it was literally frozen. They could not manipulate it while I was concious", I feel highly qualified to disagree with his statement that I directly quoted. This was not gradual and was a single procedure......then my PT could begin, because prior to that the shoulder was frozen.

So, I find his very broad statement asinine and incorrect. It's just that simple.


Edit: FWIW, I had multiple strains of staph in my blood, had bronchitis that was again turning to pneumonia, and had coughed one of the biventricular pacemaker leads loose ( I didn't know this was the cause. I thought the high fevers were causing me to pass out).
Anyway, I passed out walking across the den ( it felt like God had flushed toilet on my world), and I crashed into what was my great-grandmother's rocking chair. Shoulder into rocking chair until it rammed into the wall...you get the picture of how the bursa ruptured. I'm a tad wide and was lodged in a hospital bed the following day for an extended period of time and then pretty immobile after release from hospital with the IV pump lines in the bad arm.
There's a whole bunch more I could list, but I'm tired of typing.

[almostgone]

Back before my hip replacements I used this regularly. Unfortunately now, the traction through the hips is not a good idea. Plus this is a great space saver. You can grab a handle, rotate and often get a satisfying pop or two.

BTW, higher heels are very tough on the low back.

Also a serious, respectful and professional question please? Are you “heavy” up top (large breasted)? Notorious for cervical, thoracic and lumbar issues. Plus, it can throw off your shoulder mechanics and cause issues there as well. Once again, that question was meant with the utmost respect and professionalism.

Now, this statement about GGR's "physical measurements", I absolutely agree. My sister-in-law had to have breast reduction....she's a nurse (traveling nurse) right now, on her feet a LOT and she, like most of the females in my wife's family are "top-heavy". She has a strong core and decent body strength, but it's pretty much impossible for her to maintain a decent posture prior to reduction. I think there's at least 8 or 9 of the wife's cousins or nieces that have had the same surgery done or are in the process of scheduling a visit to discuss it.