**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[marcus300]

Did mk leave his watch behind

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Did mk leave his watch behind

found it next to the fishing boat. check out the nice BBer pose!

[marcus300]

found it next to the fishing boat. check out the nice BBer pose!

Don't start me off lpl

[marcus300]

There is a reason why I haven't talked about AAS in this thread much and that's because the other subjects are far more important at building a big huge muscular body. We all know hormones give you the edge when conditions are right but training and diets are the heart and lunges of the operation IMHO and its took a lot of time and effort to get that across. We have an excellent nutrition section but we all think the OP is training right when answering questions when in reality they are not, so that's why I concentrated on the training section of building tissue so you could get a closer picture of how I go about training. To fully understand and implement training to failure is hard work that's why so many use different styles of training because they are easier , of course some don't respond to HIT but many don't want to go into this pain zone were the true growth is imho.

I've ran various cycles throughout the last 27 years and I've tried many different compounds at various dosages, I did this so I could find out which compounds my body responded best to and also what different dosages did for results against sides. It was an interesting few years with many experiments some bad some good. I'm not going to skate around the subject of dosages I'll tell you if you want to know but I must tell you something what is very important. What ever I've took in my past doesn't mean you should now. This is very important all because I have used certain dosages and stacks doesn't mean you will respond the same way and get the same results, we are all built differently and respond different just like training styles and eating plans. So please if you asked me for advice on cycles I would give you my opinion based on your stats, cycle history and experience so what ever I say in this thread don't just go and do it. I was stupid which did cost me my natural test which ended me on trt for life at the age of 38 yrs old. But lets be honest most people who even cycle safely will end up on trt sooner than they would of been if they didn't keep shutting down their HPTA anyway.

The stacks ive done would depend on the goals I wanted to achieve at the time but in reality you can achieve most things with any AAS its more down to the diet what determines the results, the only difference with the compounds is either managing the dry or wet gains what the compounds produce and which you prefer. The long and short of it I much prefer doing short cycles and short heavy cycles, these for me produce better, bigger and more maintainable gains. Yes you heard me right shorter cycles produce bigger and better gains than longer ones if you know how to design them properly, if you use certain protocols to bring out the best in the short cycle the gains are simply amazing. I would implement a pre cycle prime and open a growth spurt and then hit a short heavy cycle coupled with my HIT style training, I would come off recover and then prime again and repeat a short heavy cycle. The dosages were high in some cases and moderate in others but implementing the prime pre cycle is a great tool to have if you want to keep producing gains. Remember you can't carry on gaining for weeks on end, the body just doesn't work like that if it did I would be 500lbs + at 6% bf. The body grows in spurts and will always adapt to anything you throw at it in time.

With AAS you got to find which compounds your more suited to and which ones produce the better gains vs the sides. You also need to swap and change around with the dose to see which is the sweet spot for you to achieving your goals and moving forward. I have used extremely high amounts which did produce some serious gains but the sides were the killer no matter what auxiliaries I used and to be honest it was only experimental phase I was going through at the time. High dosages are not really needed and if you have only ever done 500mgs per week 1g per week would be a high dose anyway to you so it all depends what level you are and also what dose you need to gain muscle tissue. More isn't always better and it usually means more sides rather than gains so go easy with the dosages and don't think the more is better because there is a sweet spot what will produce amazing gains with very little sides and once you know this you can mess around designing the stacks and blasts to suit how you grow best.

The one guy who taught me a lot about AAS and different cycles was a guy called Paul Borreson who worked with Dorian in his early career when he won the Britain and was starting his assault on the Mr O. Paul was very extreme and even though he was a genius he was totally mad at the same time and did some stupid things. He worked with Ian Harrison for a long time and the cycles he had him on were unreal and also the amount of food he told him to eat to bulk was 24/7 feeding. Everything Paul did was extreme whether cycles, training or eating but he did totally transform me.The one thing what made so much sense in theory and practise was the pre cycle priming and short heavy cycles, this was the tool what made things move forward when I was in a huge sticking point. Even though I changed his short heavy cycle strategy to my own the base was still the same of priming- short heavy cycling- recovery- priming and short hevay cycling again.


I say this alot regarding training, diets and AAS but its true you need to listen to your body. When your using hormones you need to watch and learn how your body responds to sides, dose, and gains. I'm very in tune with my body and I know how it responds so I can design the perfect cycle around how I grow and when you couple this with how I respond to training and diets then you have the ideal environment for success if you get all these areas in tune with your body.

[DCI]

I think your final paragraph sums it perfectly. I partly blame the supp companies and the people who buy into their markettering 100% than stepping and actually think the product through etc.

As you say its all about listening to your body and how it responds to yourself etc.

[Zodiac82]

good info....and its really surprising throughout most of this thread(until recently) that none of us even really mentioned aas usage and how we were just fascinated on getting this HIT down

-Release the Kracken!!!-

[marcus300]

good info....and its really surprising throughout most of this thread(until recently) that none of us even really mentioned aas usage and how we were just fascinated on getting this HIT down

-Release the Kracken!!!-

I'm glad because training is defiantly an area were a lot fail

[Java Man]

This thread is fookin amazing. Thanks for being so honest and open about your experiences marcus.

[marcus300]

This thread is fookin amazing. Thanks for being so honest and open about your experiences marcus.

Not told anyone the real secrets yet though

Thanks for your comments much appreciated

[marcus300]

Mike on overtraining



Overtraining, dear reader, is not something merely "kinda" or "sorta" negative - it is much worse than that. Overtraining is the worst training mistake a bodybuilder can make; it is precisely that which militates against the desired result. Overtraining, by definition, means performing any more exercise than is minimally required to trigger the growth mechanism into motion. Most bodybuilders today still operate on the notion that their purpose is to discover how many sets they can do, how much they can take or how long they can endure. And such is erroneous because bodybuilding is not aerobic. A bodybuilding workout is not an endurance contest! The actual, literal purpose of a bodybuilder is not to discover how many sets he can endure, but to intelligently do what nature requires merely to trigger the growth mechanism into motion, then get the hell out of the gym, go home, rest and GROW!

Mike Mentzer

[lovbyts]

Not told anyone the real secrets yet though

Thanks for your comments much appreciated

Cant give away your secrets, that's like a magician telling how his tricks are done. We all have to find our own tricks/magic along the way also...

Your advice is solid though and has been helpful.

[marcus300]

Cant give away your secrets, that's like a magician telling how his tricks are done. We all have to find our own tricks/magic along the way also...

Your advice is solid though and has been helpful.

That's the thing there are no secrets except hard work and being consistent

[DCI]

Did back last night. We are having a heat wave over here st the mo. last nighy in the gym the humidity was crazy. Was doing tensioned deads and for the 2nd time in my training I was 95% going to get sick I actually walked into to the bathroom just incase I was going to projectile vomit lol.

Very good training last night with cardio

[marcus300]

Chest and abs

Training went well did forced + negs on all compound movements, elbow still sore but got through it fine. Weights are back up again and intensity growing.

I think I will do a bit of a blast and see what happens, nothing extreme not looking for any drastic changes but it may help with repair and also when I start tightening my diet up and increasing my cardio

[DCI]

Diet really interested in hearing about man, I know you commented before about it just a cutting experience would be cool

[kelkel]

Chest and abs

Training went well did forced + negs on all compound movements, elbow still sore but got through it fine. Weights are back up again and intensity growing.

I think I will do a bit of a blast and see what happens, nothing extreme not looking for any drastic changes but it may help with repair and also when I start tightening my diet up and increasing my cardio

Nice. I'm in the same boat. One more doc appt to get through and it may be time for me as well!

[gearbox]

Aww...look at you two planning your blast together.. )

[RaginCajun]

Jimmy, stpete, kell....thanks

I can't express it enough and I know
it lands on deaf ears with most guys but what separates the really big
guys who turn heads and the guys who just look ok is what you do in the
gym and what you eat. I see it all the time and I must admit I was one
of these guys who couldn't grow and explode like I wanted to but once I
mastered how to really train correctly with the right amount of intensity
and eat the right foods 24/7 , yeh you heard me right 24/7!! I spent
years feeding my body 24/7 and you know what happened I exploded in size.
When I train I train like someone has a gun to my head and my life depends
on the last rep, that last dropsets, that one last forced rep what's making
my eye balls shake and my ears blowing out with the pressure.....................I
will take myself through so much pain training to build muscle tissue I
wont just waste it away by restricting my food, I eat big and I train big
and I slowly cut body fat by eating clean and manipulating my intake to
use fat as fuel...........

Love this!!!

[Java Man]

Looking forward to that.

Cubed

[Java Man]

Not told anyone the real secrets yet though

Thanks for your comments much appreciated

Love that you said 'yet'

[marcus300]

Nice. I'm in the same boat. One more doc appt to get through and it may be time for me as well!

What have you got in mind Kel?
Whats your trt protocol?

[marcus300]

Diet really interested in hearing about man, I know you commented before about it just a cutting experience would be cool

I've written about it a few posts back how I will go about cutting bf while maintaining tissue. Not sure what I am going to do but one thing is for sure I need some maintenance at my age sometimes a cycle is just maintaining what you got lol. We will see how I feel very soon

[marcus300]

Just watched 1 hours worth of youtube videos of Dorian and Ronnie training and guess where I am going now, come on lets shift some weight and up the intensity.

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Just watched 1 hours worth of youtube videos of Dorian and Ronnie training and guess where I am going now, come on lets shift some weight and up the intensity.

1hr!!! don't bend the bar too much!

[DCI]

I've written about it a few posts back how I will go about cutting bf while maintaining tissue. Not sure what I am going to do but one thing is for sure I need some maintenance at my age sometimes a cycle is just maintaining what you got lol. We will see how I feel very soon

I'll get you a walking stick when I ever see you. But I get were you are coming from. Really interested in reading it.

[marcus300]

Workout took 40mins

Close grip pulldowns
2 warm up sets
1 working set and 2 rest pause each set to failure

BB bent over rows
1 feel set
1 working set and 2 rest pause to failure

underhand hammer strength - close grip pulldowns
1 feel set
1 working set plus 2 rest pause

Low pulley rows
1 feel set
1 working set plus 2 rest pause

deads
2 sets

abs

Bit of tendonitis giving me pain during all sets but got through it ok. Back is full of blood and very pumped not bad workout

[DCI]

Beast I do similar back

[RaginCajun]

Workout took 40mins

Close grip pulldowns
2 warm up sets
1 working set and 2 rest pause each set to failure

BB bent over rows
1 feel set
1 working set and 2 rest pause to failure

underhand hammer strength - close grip pulldowns
1 feel set
1 working set plus 2 rest pause

Low pulley rows
1 feel set
1 working set plus 2 rest pause

deads
2 sets

abs

Bit of tendonitis giving me pain during all sets but got through it ok. Back is full of blood and very pumped not bad workout

just printed this out and intend on putting it to use tomorrow.

been thinking about what you have been preaching and changed a few things around to take advantage of this cycle.

def eating more to grow, start carb cycling, and doing the warmup/ work sets to failure approach. i have always liked that approach in regards to training, get in there and get it done!

thanks!

[kelkel]

Aww...look at you two planning your blast together.. )

!*!&!^!%@(#)87

[human project]

Just watched 1 hours worth of youtube videos of Dorian and Ronnie training and guess where I am going now, come on lets shift some weight and up the intensity.

I just made a thread asking for good YouTube videos... What did you watch??

[DCI]

Legs tonight that is all

[gearbox]

Legs tonight that is all

Kill it...

[TattedZach]

Best..Thread..Ever. Just sayin

[Java Man]

!*!&!^!%@(#)87

That looks like a tv tray... ?? No!!!

[Java Man]

I was going to skip the gym tonight dammit! Now I'm going to go do legs. Thanks.

[marcus300]

I just made a thread asking for good YouTube videos... What did you watch??

Some of Dorians training ones.

[DCI]

Kill it...

A message frommy legs to the rest of my body, have stated that refuse to work they are in bits very sore. Good for the weekend tho have a lot of driving so should recover quite well. Doing very little this weekend

[marcus300]

Biceps, forearms and triceps

Seated DB curls
2 warm up sets high reps
1 working set + double dropset

Hanging concentration curls
1 feel set
1 working + double dropset

Hammer curls
1 working set + triple dropset

wrist curls
2 working set - high reps failure


Pushdowns with rope
2 warm up sets
1 working set + double dropset

Smith machine close grip bench press
1 feel set
1 working set+ 3 rest pause

Tricep kickbacks
2 working set to failure


Pumped to the max, feeling good

[DCI]

Love doing arms before the weekend great motivator for the weekend

[gearbox]

Arms tonight and legs tomo