**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[Igifuno]

Do it IG....!! Back for me today. Excited for the session.

Back for me as well. Let's get it done.

[Hazard]

There's no better feeling than being on test but after years of using will we ever feel normal again when we have been use to feeling like 100 men?

That's the conversation I've had with a hardcore long term bodybuilder who's at the top of his game.

Ill say this..... Before my daughter was born I started feeling "not normal" almost like I wanted to feel normal again. The attention, the constant eating, the needles, the ancillaries..... I just wanted to have a normal routine.

But once I had a normal routine..... I wanted to be a freak again lol. I have no desire to feel any other way..... The bigger the better

[Igifuno]

There's no better feeling than being on test but after years of using will we ever feel normal again when we have been use to feeling like 100 men? That's the conversation I've had with a hardcore long term bodybuilder who's at the top of his game.

I think about this. My thought is that, human nature will guide me toward happiness and contentment, because I want to be happy. I will, however, always remember and long for that feeling once again when my time is up in this game.

I have a ways to go before then.

[thunderthor70]

There's no better feeling than being on test but after years of using will we ever feel normal again when we have been use to feeling like 100 men?

That's the conversation I've had with a hardcore long term bodybuilder who's at the top of his game.

I haven't been doing this for as long as some, but I think feeling like 100 men becomes the new normal. Anything less and you feel less than normal. I just wonder at what age mother nature finally takes over? Some guys can keep it going into their 70's. Hope I'm one of them

[thunderthor70]

Ill say this..... Before my daughter was born I started feeling "not normal" almost like I wanted to feel normal again. The attention, the constant eating, the needles, the ancillaries..... I just wanted to have a normal routine.

But once I had a normal routine..... I wanted to be a freak again lol. I have no desire to feel any other way..... The bigger the better

Exactly!! I've poured concrete footings and walls for 20 years. In my twenties I could handle the stress at work and still lift naturally. In my thirties I couldn't handle it anymore and only lifted in the winter. In my late thirties I started test and am bigger, feel better and am lifting harder than ever. I'm never looking back!

The attention is also great!!!

[kelkel]

Kel you look like you would win a show!

Thanks Sawyer, but those days have been over for 20 years, I think.....

[biggjd69]

Arm and tris today. Got a ways to go but getting it in. Won't stop

[sawyer86]

Thanks Sawyer, but those days have been over for 20 years, I think.....

Really? Your conditioning is unreal!

[Fllifter]

well done on your achievement and new training style but why are you doing biceps before chest?

I was just following KELs suggestion as I've seen it through out this thread. I wanted to try something different. And to answer your question Kel - I liked it because I felt I could give 100% on biceps. I'm normally pretty tired after chest.

[sawyer86]

There's no better feeling than being on test but after years of using will we ever feel normal again when we have been use to feeling like 100 men?

That's the conversation I've had with a hardcore long term bodybuilder who's at the top of his game.

Theres nothing like that feeling that makes you think you can run threw brick walls!

[Cuz]

A developed soleus will enhance, not detract from the appearance of the gastroc. It will give a fuller and wider appearance. Like the asshat below....

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Throw them in occasionally.

Kel...im going to humbly ask you to post your entire calf routine. Movements, rep ranges, exercises, angles...all that please sir?

[Hazard]

Kel...im going to humbly ask you to post your entire calf routine. Movements, rep ranges, exercises, angles...all that please sir?

He walks around in heels all day

[kelkel]

I was just following KELs suggestion as I've seen it through out this thread. I wanted to try something different. And to answer your question Kel - I liked it because I felt I could give 100% on biceps. I'm normally pretty tired after chest.

Glad you liked it. Different can be good, especially for certain body parts that always seem to get worked "second" compared to the larger parts. It's not something I do all the time but it's a nice change of pace and doesn't tire you out for chest at all.

[kelkel]

He walks around in heels all day

What's your point?

[Hazard]

What's your point?

Nothing..... I may start doin it

[kelkel]

Kel...im going to humbly ask you to post your entire calf routine. Movements, rep ranges, exercises, angles...all that please sir?

There's really nothing to post. Normal exercises for gastroc and soleus. Always both in workouts for me. Couple sets of each, occasional drops and RP's and I train them heavy with moderate reps. I do not believe in high reps for calves. They get high reps all day walking around. Main thing is I always prioritized them and worked them as hard as everything else from day one. Most don't do that then have to play catch up. Most people can't honestly say they work calves as hard as chest, arms, etc. That is the difference imho.

[biggjd69]

Well I love hearing you guys talking about how TEst makes you feel. I am a true virgin who is about to get his cherry popped at 44. Wondering how I am really gonna feel

[Hazard]

Well I love hearing you guys talking about how TEst makes you feel. I am a true virgin who is about to get his cherry popped at 44. Wondering how I am really gonna feel

Test is king

Test is all I really need. Other compounds are great for certain things but I wouldn't give test up for anything.

I used to drop my test down to let the other compounds do the work but after deciding to try keeping my test up..... I won't go back. For me its like test amplifies everything.

[sawyer86]

I agree with haz. I like to let test take the lead.

[Cuz]

There's really nothing to post. Normal exercises for gastroc and soleus. Always both in workouts for me. Couple sets of each, occasional drops and RP's and I train them heavy with moderate reps. I do not believe in high reps for calves. They get high reps all day walking around. Main thing is I always prioritized them and worked them as hard as everything else from day one. Most don't do that then have to play catch up. Most people can't honestly say they work calves as hard as chest, arms, etc. That is the difference imho.

thanks. Yeah I fall into that most people category myself.

[kelkel]

thanks. Yeah I fall into that most people category myself.

So it's time to stop that. Prioritize them brother and they will have no option but to grow. Nothing better than great calves in the summer.

[Cuz]

So it's time to stop that. Prioritize them brother and they will have no option but to grow. Nothing better than great calves in the summer.

I am man. twice a week, first in the workouts. But honestly I have been keeping my reps high, I think I need to lower the reps and increase the weights. I just want to get a good contraction and keep from using so much momentum...but to use the muscle. My calves are sore today so I know I did something.

[Java Man]

This has been talked about a lot recently, but its so true. One measure of performance you can rely on is the level of exhaustion you're dealing with. I have NEVER been this tired.. I can really tell when I'm driving, or sitting for too long, i literally start falling asleep and have to move around to wake myself up.

The physical evidence as well. It's amazing to watch yourself grow right in front of your eyes
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Lol! There's only one part on my body I get to watch grow right in front of my eyes in real time. I guess I haven't reached your level yet lmao. Teach me!

[NotTheSame]

Welcome! Hang out and read the thread and you have a better understanding of how these training techniques are taking to a more advanced level. We would also love to see some of your workouts as well so please feel free post them up!

Cheers. Yeah i've been reading a lot of the more recent pages and started reading from the start since Marcus recommended it. Will take me forever to get through but it's a good read. Some good long write ups in the last 20 or so pages on training and getting in the right mental zone.

Ok as for workout i did arms yesterday.

Bi's -

Bar curls - 2 feel sets and one working finished with negative reps after failure
(Not sure exact name of this exercise but it's kinda like preacher curls but with dumbbells) - 2 feel, 1 working with rest pause sets after i failed
Seated dumbbell curl - same thing 2 feel, 1 working done with drop sets

Forearms -

reverse curls - 2 feel and 1 working finished with rest pause
Hammer curls - 2 feel and one working. Finished off by alternating arms instead of both at a time then just did a couple of rest pauses.

Tri's

Close grip bench - 2 feel and one working with negatives to finish ( This owned my tri's)
Skull crush's - 2 feel and one working with rest pause sets after i failed
rope pulldowns - same again 2 feel and one working with dropsets.

Then i just smashed out some dips for fun. Started with 20 kg and worked down until i couldn't do my bodyweight.


Tried to use a weight on my working sets where my total reps didnt exceed 12 including the drop sets like i've seen recommended here. I also dropped the weight a bit from what i've been using and focused on form and contraction a lot more.

Best arm workout in a logn time and my biceps are on fire this morning. Leg's today as well. Lookign forward to it.

[Igifuno]

Cheers. Yeah i've been reading a lot of the more recent pages and started reading from the start since Marcus recommended it. Will take me forever to get through but it's a good read. Some good long write ups in the last 20 or so pages on training and getting in the right mental zone. definitely worth the read

Ok as for workout i did arms yesterday.

Bi's -

Bar curls - 2 feel sets and one working finished with negative reps after failure Nice
(Not sure exact name of this exercise but it's kinda like preacher curls but with dumbbells) - 2 feel, 1 working with rest pause sets after i failed
Seated dumbbell curl - same thing 2 feel, 1 working done with drop sets I like it

Forearms -

reverse curls - 2 feel and 1 working finished with rest pause
Hammer curls - 2 feel and one working. Finished off by alternating arms instead of both at a time then just did a couple of rest pauses.

Tri's

Close grip bench - 2 feel and one working with negatives to finish ( This owned my tri's)
Skull crush's - 2 feel and one working with rest pause sets after i failed
rope pulldowns - same again 2 feel and one working with dropsets.

Then i just smashed out some dips for fun. Started with 20 kg and worked down until i couldn't do my bodyweight. sounds like you crushed it


Tried to use a weight on my working sets where my total reps didnt exceed 12 including the drop sets like i've seen recommended here. I also dropped the weight a bit from what i've been using and focused on form and contraction a lot more.

Best arm workout in a logn time and my biceps are on fire this morning. Leg's today as well. Lookign forward to it.

glad to hear, and sounds like a good one. Keep up the good work!

[Igifuno]

Aah flights cancelled for today and tomorrow.. not going home til Sunday - stupid ice storm.

I found a good gym right down the road I will be at tonight and tomorrow.. need to hit the grocery store as well (except no fridge in my room so.. hmmm.)

[Hazard]

Aah flights cancelled for today and tomorrow.. not going home til Sunday - stupid ice storm.

I found a good gym right down the road I will be at tonight and tomorrow.. need to hit the grocery store as well (except no fridge in my room so.. hmmm.)

Rm service..... Expense account

[Igifuno]

Rm service..... Expense account

Spent $70 on room service last night.. lol.. Another rib eye this evening.. I think so.

[AD]

Spent $70 on room service last night.. lol.. Another rib eye this evening.. I think so.

was she good?

[Cuz]

Only 70??? damn IG im disappointed in you lol

[Java Man]

Hey guy's I've been reading a little bit of this thread and notice you guy's are mostly training the same way. Gonna start trying this method of feel sets and working sets. I already try and implement beyond failure techniques ( drop sets /rest pause etc) but probably not as intense as i could.
Just wondering besides the way you attack your working sets what other differences do you implement in your HIT training style that differs from your "average" training method? I.e do you have shorter breaks between sets and stuff like that?

Huh
What is 'breaks'?

Read this entire thread, start to finish. If you do that, you'll understand HIT.

[Java Man]

Wanted to expand on one exercise I do frequently for legs: Static lunges in a smith machine

Now, most guys occasionally do lunges (or should,) just normally the dumbell type pacing back and forth or standing still. I, for one, look like a retard doing these. A drunk retard at that. I have to worry more about not falling over than anything else which makes the overall effort suffer. Plus it sucks carrying the dumbells around my messy dungeon. So, when you have the time, give these a try. I've spoken about them a long time ago but thought I'd bring them up again as I rarely see guys post that they do lunges. I do them at the end of a workout when fatigued.

Set up in your smith with the bar high on your traps.
You want to place your forward foot farther out than you would for a squat. The goal is to not have the knee extend over the foot during the motion.
Your back foot can be either stretched far back or kept a bit closer where your knee will bend to a 90 degree angle. You're choice. Experiment.
This is the position you stay in until all reps are done for this leg. Obviously repeat with the other leg, then rest.
No balance issues and the focus is intense on the leg being worked. You can fry quads, hams and glutes if done correctly.
I don't do RP or drops on these and tend toward higher reps.

Just wanted to share. Give them a try if you haven't and report back please. Great change of pace.

I do lunges with DB occasionally but never like this. Uk give a try.

[Java Man]

Excellent size and shape, good delt tie in, lat spread out and the outer chest hanging over. Whats your problem???? I know what it is you think because your not on gear you look skinny and small, when you look in the mirror you look different off cycle??? that's it isn't it......well we all feel like that and its in our minds.

This!

[Cuz]

This!

its all in my head

[Igifuno]

was she good?

Hehehe...

[Igifuno]

Only 70??? damn IG im disappointed in you lol

Actually got away with the $30 buffet tonight while I waited for my car to thaw. Prime rib, salmon, potatoes....

[Java Man]

Exactly. I'm too damn old and have way way too much to lose at this stage of my life. Once I can get over the exhaustion of the anger ( sleepless, running back and forth to lawyer, building, home and work) I will use it in the gym. I will have a judgement today, but you can't get blood from a stone. But it will follow him where ever he goes. Thanks for the words.

Good to have you back. Now go shoot that bastard in the right hand so he can't sign any more contracts. If he's left handed, shoot his left. If youre unsure, shoot both.

J/k. In case the nsa reads this, I AM JOKING.

[Java Man]

There's no better feeling than being on test but after years of using will we ever feel normal again when we have been use to feeling like 100 men?

That's the conversation I've had with a hardcore long term bodybuilder who's at the top of his game.

Conclusion? Or is it still undecided? I'd say no. one cannot be superman for 25y then just be normal and not notice the contrast. After enough time passes I'm sure the memories.fade of how it feels to be on but it seems there would always be the nagging feeling that something is missing.

[Hazard]

I think after doing this for so long..... ESPECIALLY being a competitor, you get to a point where you have nothing left to prove. Atleast that's what was told to me by a high level retired competitor and a former training partner of mr. Rich gaspari. He has trophies lining his basement and tons of pictures from shows - he says his health is more important now and he could care less about walking around huge. Now..... He's still fairly big lol but not like when he was competing.

Just another point of view

[Cuz]

So is Test everyone's fav? Dbol ? Tren ???