**Marcus's HIT Dungeon**

[NACH3]

My knees hurt

That's no fun BIB... hope it eases up quickly... what do you use for the pain(volteran anything else) if you don't mind me asking?

[NACH3]

Thanks Prox! I dropped a few calories, maybe 200-300. I basically cut out carbs after 6 pm.



Thanks Clark!



I do wanna shed a bit more bf and gain a few pounds. I'm 217 atm and want to head to 225, trying to keep 10% bf... I believe I'm at roughly 14%. I'm not sure how to pull it off yet though, gotta research. Next cycle will be my 3rd, and I'm thinking just 8 weeks test prop. I don't wanna get too hardcore because we got alot of them judgemental fvckers at the gym and I don't need them asking me stupid questions lol. Basically, I don't wanna gain were it's obvious I'm on AAS.

Kenny if they're not noticing we are doing it wrong lol - what's the point in trying to hide it(job or just b:c of all the ignorant people out there?!

You thinking of linking a precycle prime to this next blast??

The Prime explained before cycling..

This will allow for a better recomp or lean bulk... if your bf% is around 10% backload some winny or for the last 6 wks - it'll harden you up big time & my strength goes way up(very anabolic )

[Mr.BB]

My knees hurt

Sorry to hear.
Had to stop legs training myself today from quad pain. It has been nagging me for weeks, and it finally got a to a degree which I cant squat

Going to take a couple weeks of quad training and evaluate from there.

[hammerheart]

Hey nach you got any idea why as low as 10mg winstrol would get me sleepy/lethargic?

I think my E2 is already on the low side and increasing DHT/E2 ratio would trigger low E2 symptoms, and I get very drowsy on low E2.

[Proximal]

Love an empty gym:

Triceps
Close grip bench 2 wu 3 ws 5 reps max weight
Pressdowns 1 ws w/dd
Machine dips 2 wu 1 ws w/dd
Single arm machine extensions positive to fail, positive assist to fail, negatives to fail.

RC friendly lateral/front Delts
Machine press w/ pin set for pain free ROM 2wu 3 sets x12
Machine lateral raise 3 wu 2 ws each dd

15 mins abs & 20 mins cardio

[Proximal]

Sorry to hear.
Had to stop legs training myself today from quad pain. It has been nagging me for weeks, and it finally got a to a degree which I cant squat

Going to take a couple weeks of quad training and evaluate from there.

How's your compartment syndrome doing?

[Mr.BB]

How's your compartment syndrome doing?

That was on calves years ago Prox, got physical therapy for it, basically massage and really strenuous stretching, and it was from long distance running.

Now I think I have small tear or strain, in the beginning of the rectus femoris, or maybe in the quad tendon. I can barely feel it during the week, only feel it with weight on my back, on the bottom part of the squat. It feels really deep in the muscle.

Any therapy you recommend? Hot patch and massage doesnt seem to do anything.

[NACH3]

Hey nach you got any idea why as low as 10mg winstrol would get me sleepy/lethargic?

DHT/E2 ratio is what first came to mind.... until I kept reading...

I think my E2 is already on the low side and increasing DHT/E2 ratio would trigger low E2 symptoms, and I get very drowsy on low E2.

Winstrol at that dose I wouldn't think would cause lethargy... I'm thinking E2 may be a little low as you may be thinking - are you more irritable, too? If my E2 is on the lower side little things get to me more... more or less irritable and achy... any aches in your joints(not winny related at that dose imho)....

[hammerheart]

Winstrol at that dose I wouldn't think would cause lethargy... I'm thinking E2 may be a little low as you may be thinking - are you more irritable, too? If my E2 is on the lower side little things get to me more... more or less irritable and achy... any aches in your joints(not winny related at that dose imho)....

Yes, got achy joints too this week. I'll be pulling bloods next week to have a clearer picture of what's going on before changing anything.

Facial hair growth has halted so DHT too must be on the low side. Probably just lowered my TRT dose too much.

I usually take the dose divided morning/evening and no issues arise, just experimenting around. I also wish to remind the intended use for winstrol is to dial down SHBG, as everything else has failed, other than abusing AI.

Irritability has been pretty much a constant in the last months, so I cannot link to E2.

[NACH3]

Yes, got achy joints too this week. I'll be pulling bloods next week to have a clearer picture of what's going on before changing anything.

Facial hair growth has halted so DHT too must be on the low side. Probably just lowered my TRT dose too much.

I usually take the dose divided morning/evening and no issues arise, just experimenting around. I also wish to remind the intended use for winstrol is to dial down SHBG, as everything else has failed, other than abusing AI.

Irritability has been pretty much a constant in the last months, so I cannot link to E2.

I do remember that was your reason to add winstrol was to lower your SHBG...

Though it's been a few months that you may have Abused AI a lil I noticed when I was seeing if I ran better on the lower side of the E2 spectrum or if it was in my head lol... I don't feel all that bad on Low(er) E tho I would prefer mud range to normal low...

I've lowered my TRT dose as well recently as I've got bw coming up next wk myself... and I'm also checking for DHT and my PSA(which I believe/feel has spiked) - been having achy joints myself(even the good ones lol) so I too think I'm low on my E2

[Mr.BB]

Yes, got achy joints too this week. I'll be pulling bloods next week to have a clearer picture of what's going on before changing anything.

I've lowered my TRT dose as well recently as I've got bw coming up next wk myself... and I'm also checking for DHT and my PSA(which I believe/feel has spiked) - been having achy joints myself(even the good ones lol) so I too think I'm low on my E2

If you guys think you have gout add uric acid to the bloodwork.

The influence e2 can have on joints (not talking about tendons or bones) is a protecting effect against the creation of urate crystals. This crystals forming in the synovial fluid causes joint pain (gout).

[hammerheart]

Noted... well I haven't been taking AI since July, but honestly I only felt worse since then, libido got in the sink and dick was like RIP... but oh, it has returned to life recently, so the signs are promising. I just cannot stand E2 too low, I get extremely foggy, especially with upper range (and above) total Test. I convert poorly, so it isn't unusual for me to hold this configuration.

[hammerheart]

If you guys think you have gout add uric acid to the bloodwork.

The influence e2 can have on joints (not talking about tendons or bones) is a protecting effect against the creation of urate crystals. This crystals forming in the synovial fluid causes joint pain (gout).

Interesting point, thanks. My grandma has that... so I got familiarity.

[BG]

Hello friends read the last 3 pages, glad all is well. Mrs.BG is training with me again which has giving me a boost. Had issue's seeing my doctor, he went on holiday for 2 weeks then came back then I found out he isnt doing family medicine until end of december. Pretty screwed up since he put me on meds and Im having issues. I made an appointment with a different doctor but this guy is like 65 years old, my first doc was young, I could tell he used to train, we talked about different proteins. But I have to figure things out. All of a sudden Im having bp issues and I think its the meds, really only thing ive added/changed recently. So hopefully things will get back in order and Ill be back around. Keep grinding guys.

[NACH3]

If you guys think you have gout add uric acid to the bloodwork.

The influence e2 can have on joints (not talking about tendons or bones) is a protecting effect against the creation of urate crystals. This crystals forming in the synovial fluid causes joint pain (gout).

Was tested for gout cane back negative... but it can't hurt to bring it up again thx BB - I know gout can be very painful my father has it so I'm familiar as well :/ lol

[NACH3]

Hello friends read the last 3 pages, glad all is well. Mrs.BG is training with me again which has giving me a boost. Had issue's seeing my doctor, he went on holiday for 2 weeks then came back then I found out he isnt doing family medicine until end of december. Pretty screwed up since he put me on meds and Im having issues. I made an appointment with a different doctor but this guy is like 65 years old, my first doc was young, I could tell he used to train, we talked about different proteins. But I have to figure things out. All of a sudden Im having bp issues and I think its the meds, really only thing ive added/changed recently. So hopefully things will get back in order and Ill be back around. Keep grinding guys.

That's not cool BG - never heard of that really... keep your head right and kill your training with Mrs. BG

[kelkel]

Sorry to hear.
Had to stop legs training myself today from quad pain. It has been nagging me for weeks, and it finally got a to a degree which I cant squat

Going to take a couple weeks of quad training and evaluate from there.

So why not just take a complete break for a week or two and rest up? Good to do now and then!

[Proximal]

That was on calves years ago Prox, got physical therapy for it, basically massage and really strenuous stretching, and it was from long distance running.

Now I think I have small tear or strain, in the beginning of the rectus femoris, or maybe in the quad tendon. I can barely feel it during the week, only feel it with weight on my back, on the bottom part of the squat. It feels really deep in the muscle.

Any therapy you recommend? Hot patch and massage doesnt seem to do anything.

My bad, thought the compartment syndrome was more recent. Aside from deep massage, stretching & rest, no further recommendations.

How much distance are you running weekly BB? Maybe its dementia on my part, but I thought I've seen posts indicating you're doing a bit here and there. Could be some over-training.

[almostgone]

Did chest this morning, good session.

pre exhaust cable fly 1 working DD

slight incline bench 1 working DD smyth

then SS

slight incline db press 1 working 1 drop

no rest at all between working and drop

slight incline db fly 1 working 1 drop

ohhhh that burt like a mother

Pec dec 1 working 1 drop

done, good wee session. First time doing bench press for years as i don't really like it, just a wee change and it was ok.

How did the shoulder/pec area feel with the b'bell benching, Clarky?

[almostgone]

My knees hurt

That's not good. Too many breathing squats or just wear and tear from the normal stuff?

[almostgone]

If you guys think you have gout add uric acid to the bloodwork.

The influence e2 can have on joints (not talking about tendons or bones) is a protecting effect against the creation of urate crystals. This crystals forming in the synovial fluid causes joint pain (gout).

I've always been told it is best to have the uric acid levels checked when the pain in the joint is minimal as that means your acid levels will be higher in your blood vs. bound up in the crystals in the synovial fluid.
In your opinion, is that a valid statement, BB, or.just a statement the Drs. default to when they don't have a solid answer?

[almostgone]

How is it going AG?

Decent. Crazy day yesterday but will email you at my.break time.

[Back In Black]

That's no fun BIB... hope it eases up quickly... what do you use for the pain(volteran anything else) if you don't mind me asking?

No pain relief, I'm a man, don't need it lol

That's not good. Too many breathing squats or just wear and tear from the normal stuff?

Wear and tear I guess. I'm back on straight sets for squats, dropped the split squats and the leg extensions. Added glucosamine and msm and have a lighter squat day every 3 weeks or so.

I'm 45 and have been training or playing sport my whole life. I refuse to accept my age in spite of what my body tells me sometimes.

HIT delts this morning.

[clarky.]

How did the shoulder/pec area feel with the b'bell benching, Clarky?

It was actually ok AG.

[clarky.]

Morning fellas, GGR. No training the day, going christmas shopping haha can't be fvcked with the shops cunt bumping it me and shit. Then home for a film.

[hammerheart]

My knees hurt

Mines are cracking.

Also joint pain in shoulders, wrists, hips, ankles...

[kelkel]

I refuse to accept my age in spite of what my body tells me sometimes.

Never give up that fight.

[NACH3]

No pain relief, I'm a man, don't need lol

I wish I had something smart to say but Id be beaten with your humor - so ok then lol

[Back In Black]

I wish I had something smart to say but Id be beaten with your humor - so ok then lol

Lmao, don't worry mate I'm only funny once a year and I spent myself already.

Shoulders were good today as well as tri's.

Thinking of adding therapeutic deca to my TRT next year.

[NACH3]

Lmao, don't worry mate I'm only funny once a year and I spent myself already.

Shoulders were good today as well as tri's.

Thinking of adding therapeutic deca to my TRT next year.

Lmao!

Whatcha thinking dose wise, BIB? 75-125mgs/wkly on top of your nebido?

[NACH3]

Mines are cracking.

Also joint pain in shoulders, wrists, hips, ankles...

Sure sounds like low E2 as we were discussing bizz... my shoulders are a dead giveaway for myself along with achy hips when E2 is crashed or very close to it

[Back In Black]

Lmao!

Whatcha thinking dose wise, BIB? 75-125mgs/wkly on top of your nebido?

Yeah, use the lowest amount possible, as I do with every compound almost every time. Start at 75mg see how I get on.

[almostgone]

Yeah, use the lowest amount possible, as I do with every compound almost every time. Start at 75mg see how I get on.

I've been holding onto some Organon Decas to do the same thing in the near future. Being dosed @ 100mg/ml makes it very easy to tweak the doses.

[NACH3]

Yeah, use the lowest amount possible, as I do with every compound almost every time. Start at 75mg see how I get on.

Absolutely agree with that statement! Especially for what it's being used for 'therapeutic dose' good luck with it! Hope it serves you well... I've read that Nandrolone can cause elevated T levels if they're doing a certain test(I forget but I'm betting AG/Kel or yourself know what I'm talking about?

I've been holding onto some Organon Decas to do the same thing in the near future. Being dosed @ 100mg/ml makes it very easy to tweak the doses.

I've always liked to keep some deca myself for adding in sometimes, for me, too! I've learned less is much more in this scenario(as with all tbh)

[almostgone]

Absolutely agree with that statement! Especially for what it's being used for 'therapeutic dose' good luck with it! Hope it serves you well... I've read that Nandrolone can cause elevated T levels if they're doing a certain test(I forget but I'm betting AG/Kel or yourself know what I'm talking about?

I've always liked to keep some deca myself for adding in sometimes, for me, too! I've learned less is much more in this scenario(as with all tbh)

Yes sir, ECLIA can give skewed results vs LC/MS or MS/MS testing if I recall correctly. There's a thread in the TRT forum about it. I believe Chauffeur even posted some results comparing the 2 tests, but I may be mistaken. Check out post#16 in particular.

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...st-method.html

[almostgone]

Way yonder past my bedtime. Got rid of a couple of pints earlier so will probably take it easy/sleep until time for work. 2 pints of blood completely coagulated in the 15-20 minutes it took me to get home. LOL, It was halfway coagulated when I got done at the cute phlebotomist's house.
Tomorrow is going to be a shitstorm at work and then my massage is around 3 in the afternoon so I may not lift tomorrow evening either, we'll see. However, legs are the next target of opportunity.

[Back In Black]

Yes sir, ECLIA can give skewed results vs LC/MS or MS/MS testing if I recall correctly. There's a thread in the TRT forum about it. I believe Chauffeur even posted some results comparing the 2 tests, but I may be mistaken. Check out post#16 in particular.

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...st-method.html

Interesting, I just had my annual test so I'm good to go for a while and maybe stop the the deca a couple of weeks before my next one.

I have no idea what the NHS use over here but it's probably the cheaper and quicker ECLIA.

[NACH3]

Yes sir, ECLIA can give skewed results vs LC/MS or MS/MS testing if I recall correctly. There's a thread in the TRT forum about it. I believe Chauffeur even posted some results comparing the 2 tests, but I may be mistaken. Check out post#16 in particular.

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...st-method.html

Thanks AG - that's certainly the test I was talking about, Sir! Thank you as I was driving and I don't txt or talk when driving... too many idiots in the road

[hammerheart]

Sure sounds like low E2 as we were discussing bizz... my shoulders are a dead giveaway for myself along with achy hips when E2 is crashed or very close to it

Yeah indeed it must be, I also recall the meralgias from the low T period. Even to the present day I still have numbness in skin area topping the hips.

[NACH3]

Yeah indeed it must be, I also recall the meralgias from the low T period. Even to the present day I still have numbness in skin area topping the hips.

Hmmmm whatcha think is causing this Bizz? It's always something but be glad your very in tune with your body!