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[marcus300]

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[marcus300]

Bought a new Mercedes last month

C Class Coupe AMG Sport, beautiful car

[Hazard]

I love reading your thoughts and methods marcus..... Then I compare them to myself and what I've done.

I've not touched the 3g a week mark..... I've definitely been close and got to 255. When I was that heavy it started to feel like all I was doing was maintaining. I dropped everything but test and kept it at 12-1500 for a bit and no new gains were made. It didn't seem worth it.

I've now been aas free for about a year. I'm getting ready to get back on and really want to surpass 255. I've got some ideas I'm gunna try and see how I respond. Unfortunately gh is still not in my immediate future.

[marcus300]

I love reading your thoughts and methods marcus..... Then I compare them to myself and what I've done.

I've not touched the 3g a week mark..... I've definitely been close and got to 255. When I was that heavy it started to feel like all I was doing was maintaining. I dropped everything but test and kept it at 12-1500 for a bit and no new gains were made. It didn't seem worth it.

I've now been aas free for about a year. I'm getting ready to get back on and really want to surpass 255. I've got some ideas I'm gunna try and see how I respond. Unfortunately gh is still not in my immediate future.

I hope the newbies don't do what ive done in my past because I did many stupid and dangerous things with AAS+HGH but I will be honest and those are the dosages ive ran in my past. Like ive stated there is a sweet spot for everyone and what you got to do is find it but don't rush with increasing your dosages because it doesn't work like that. Many and I mean many newbies have no idea how to train correctly to force muscle growth or even how to eat to gain serious size and mass, these are the secrets to building a huge ripped body not AAS imho.

I know guys now who are running 4g per week who cant get over 200lbs but the reason why they cant get over 200lbs is because they don't train correctly and have no idea how to eat to grow, its all about learning the key principles of muscle growth then add in the AAS+HGH and you will explode, if your not exploding in size and muscle then your doing something wrong......sorry Haz this isn't directed at you I am just going on one to make sure newbies reading don't do what ive done or do..

If you have had 12 months aas free you will enjoy a great ride when you do get back on keep on it and let me know how you get on

[Doom44]

I love rp. But my rp abit different. Exp : close grip pull down : 6 -8 reps to failure, (rp 10sec *add weight go 1 super slow reps, slow on concentric, isometric hold for few seconds and super slow eccentric.) rp 10 secs another 1 super slow reps. Will do this 3 times . Is that ok?

[marcus300]

I love rp. But my rp abit different. Exp : close grip pull down : 6 -8 reps to failure, (rp 10sec *add weight go 1 super slow reps, slow on concentric, isometric hold for few seconds and super slow eccentric.) rp 10 secs another 1 super slow reps. Will do this 3 times . Is that ok?

To be honest I don't like that at all, in my opinion your not going to true failure on the working set because it would be impossible to increase the weight and carry on after 10 seconds, I also don't like the 1 rep when you go into the RP. Once you hit 1 rep on a rest pause the set is over. IMHO your better going to true failure then taking 10-15 seconds rest and doing more reps probably hitting around 5-6 reps then another 10-15 seconds rest and hitting the reps again and repeating until your down to around 1-2 reps.

[Doom44]

To be honest I don't like that at all, in my opinion your not going to true failure on the working set because it would be impossible to increase the weight and carry on after 10 seconds, I also don't like the 1 rep when you go into the RP. Once you hit 1 rep on a rest pause the set is over. IMHO your better going to true failure then taking 10-15 seconds rest and doing more reps probably hitting around 5-6 reps then another 10-15 seconds rest and hitting the reps again and repeating until your down to around 1-2 reps.

Alright. Thanks for the advise. Definitely will try this

[Hazard]

I hope the newbies don't do what ive done in my past because I did many stupid and dangerous things with AAS+HGH but I will be honest and those are the dosages ive ran in my past. Like ive stated there is a sweet spot for everyone and what you got to do is find it but don't rush with increasing your dosages because it doesn't work like that. Many and I mean many newbies have no idea how to train correctly to force muscle growth or even how to eat to gain serious size and mass, these are the secrets to building a huge ripped body not AAS imho.

I know guys now who are running 4g per week who cant get over 200lbs but the reason why they cant get over 200lbs is because they don't train correctly and have no idea how to eat to grow, its all about learning the key principles of muscle growth then add in the AAS+HGH and you will explode, if your not exploding in size and muscle then your doing something wrong......sorry Haz this isn't directed at you I am just going on one to make sure newbies reading don't do what ive done or do..

If you have had 12 months aas free you will enjoy a great ride when you do get back on keep on it and let me know how you get on

I'm with you 100% - at the time I was 255 I was eating quite a bit. Personally..... For me..... Chicken and rice seems to be a staple. I can pound down a lot of it and I did make real nice size gains.

It was at 255 that I was feeling bloated all the time..... Pinning felt like a chore. Scar tissue hurt..... I just needed a break.

New guys NEED to really take caution. It can't be expressed enough. It really is a waste to be taking any amount let alone a heavy dosage without knowing how to eat and train. It's not a game.....

What they should be doing is using this info to further their knowledge and to have a more realistic view of bodybuilding

[panntastic]

Marcus do you think it's possible for the average man to hit 250+lbs and low bf without using 2+ grams of gear a week
And if you could do it again knowing what you know now what would you change?

[gearbox]

he wishes he met mini marcus sooner!

that's a great question pan

[Hazard]

Marcus do you think it's possible for the average man to hit 250+lbs and low bf without using 2+ grams of gear a week
And if you could do it again knowing what you know now what would you change?

This is Marcus' thread so I won't comment too much but for the sake of conversation...... It depends a lot of the person. Height, genetics, and how serious they are. Do I think it's possible? Yes. Do I think most people can doit..... No. I think most people lack a lot in their training and diet and that will prevent them from hitting the mark. A lot of people IMO use aas as a crutch and use high amounts to make up for improper eating.

I don't mean to hijack ur thread big guy just chiming in if that's ok.

~Haz~

[panntastic]

This is Marcus' thread so I won't comment too much but for the sake of conversation...... It depends a lot of the person. Height, genetics, and how serious they are. Do I think it's possible? Yes. Do I think most people can doit..... No. I think most people lack a lot in their training and diet and that will prevent them from hitting the mark. A lot of people IMO use aas as a crutch and use high amounts to make up for improper eating.

I don't mean to hijack ur thread big guy just chiming in if that's ok.

~Haz~

Haz your comments are just as valued here as Marcus to me mate
Your another testament to hard work and became a BIG guy
I've not used for nearly 2 years roughly and I'm 255lbs at moment around 20% but I've always wanted to be a BIG guy like yourself and Marcus
I've never gone over 750mg/ week test and only did that once so the thought of many grams a week is pretty daunting

[marcus300]

Marcus do you think it's possible for the average man to hit 250+lbs and low bf without using 2+ grams of gear a week
And if you could do it again knowing what you know now what would you change?

This is Marcus' thread so I won't comment too much but for the sake of conversation...... It depends a lot of the person. Height, genetics, and how serious they are. Do I think it's possible? Yes. Do I think most people can doit..... No. I think most people lack a lot in their training and diet and that will prevent them from hitting the mark. A lot of people IMO use aas as a crutch and use high amounts to make up for improper eating.

I don't mean to hijack ur thread big guy just chiming in if that's ok.

~Haz~

Haz, your very welcome to chime in on anything what goes on in this thread. You have a vast wealth of knowledge and are a great inspiration to many on here so please your comments are very welcome..

Pann, There isn’t a defiant answer, some guys have better genetics than others and don’t have to use a lot AAS, other guys who struggle will have to try everything to gain muscle. Ive seen many guys transform themselves with only using small amounts of gear and ive see average guys have to use large amounts of gear its what ever works for you to achieve your goals. If it was as simple as using 2g/3g worth of steroids to get to 250lbs ripped them all of us would be on the Olympia stage.

I was lucky when I was younger to be in a position to have the time and money to fully concentrate on training and the amounts of aas and hgh ive took I should be stood next to Phil Heath but there isn’t a chance of coming anywhere near these guys and believe me I lived and breath bodybuilding all my life, infact it destroyed many aspects of my family life because I was so focused. I lost things what can’t be replaced which I do regret. So you have to be genetically gifted to stand with those guys but you can achieve remarkable things if you train correctly, eat the rights foods and give yourself the edge with the right cycles and stacks.

[marcus300]

Haz your comments are just as valued here as Marcus to me mate
Your another testament to hard work and became a BIG guy
I've not used for nearly 2 years roughly and I'm 255lbs at moment around 20% but I've always wanted to be a BIG guy like yourself and Marcus
I've never gone over 750mg/ week test and only did that once so the thought of many grams a week is pretty daunting

You grow into your dose mate, never just jump to grams of gear. If your still gaining and achieving your goals them there is no need to up the dose. Areas like diet and training are huge if you want to separate yourself to the normal guys in the gym. Once you come to a brick wall them its time to re-design your cycles to see what can be achieved

[panntastic]

You grow into your dose mate, never just jump to grams of gear. If your still gaining and achieving your goals them there is no need to up the dose. Areas like diet and training are huge if you want to separate yourself to the normal guys in the gym. Once you come to a brick wall them its time to re-design your cycles to see what can be achieved

Sorry I'm turning this into the Marcus interview thread it's just good to get some vets perspectives on all aspects

[MR-FQ320]

We seemed to have covered a lot of ground there, here's a few questions:

Marcus can you put into words the difference in side effects from 3g to 5g per week?

Nice motor, did you go for petrol or diesel and what engine size?

So for Marcus and Hazard weighing over say 255lb is a REAL struggle?

[MR-FQ320]

Sorry I'm turning this into the Marcus interview thread it's just good to get some vets perspectives on all aspects

Its cool, we're all asking the right questions, so we all benefit :-)

How old are you Pann?

[panntastic]

Its cool, we're all asking the right questions, so we all benefit :-)

How old are you Pann?

I'm 28 buddy

[MR-FQ320]

I was going to start another thread with this question, but here goes:A question that relates to me: I feel as though I train hardcore, HIT style, DOMS every muscle group every day and every week, but my problem is food conversion to muscle, i can put on weight no problem and keep the diet clean, and i can increase in strength when i do but the extra calories does seem to store as fat easier than it turns into muscle, bear in mind i'm about 210lb, adding a pound a week of muscle for example is impossible right or we'd all be like Ronnie, i know I increase in muscle when i cut the following summer, progress is slow. You, Kelkel and others are'nt even counting calories, so my problem is staying lean while increasing in weight.I have experimented with T4 and T3. I hope i'm not derailing your thread with this one.

[Hazard]

We seemed to have covered a lot of ground there, here's a few questions:

Marcus can you put into words the difference in side effects from 3g to 5g per week?

Nice motor, did you go for petrol or diesel and what engine size?

So for Marcus and Hazard weighing over say 255lb is a REAL struggle?

I wouldn't say a struggle..... It was a lot of fun lol. I do want to get back there and soon but it's not like it's easy as waking up getting in a few meals and working out. I was eating 3lbs of ground chicken and 6 cups of cooked rice daily. Plus a cup of oatmeal and 8 egg whites.

It starts to become a chore......

[MR-FQ320]

I wouldn't say a struggle..... It was a lot of fun lol. I do want to get back there and soon but it's not like it's easy as waking up getting in a few meals and working out. I was eating 3lbs of ground chicken and 6 cups of cooked rice daily. Plus a cup of oatmeal and 8 egg whites.

It starts to become a chore......

I bet, jst finding time to eat it all that chicken and rice would be a problem for me, oats and egg whites in a blender - no problem.

[Hazard]

Yea it's a lot of meal prep. I was religious with supplements, vitamins, eating, etc.

Lookin back..... I miss it and I'm dying to start again.

[MR-FQ320]

what do you weigh now Hazard?

[kelkel]

I wouldn't say a struggle..... It was a lot of fun lol. I do want to get back there and soon but it's not like it's easy as waking up getting in a few meals and working out. I was eating 3lbs of ground chicken and 6 cups of cooked rice daily. Plus a cup of oatmeal and 8 egg whites.

It starts to become a chore......

Damn that's so true at times. Sometimes you love it, sometimes you hate it.

To chime in on the body weight conversation, I've been up to the 250 mark years back on doses that are high end TRT now. So it's definitely possible for guys with the right discipline.

[Hazard]

what do you weigh now Hazard?

Not sure to be honest...... About 6 months ago I was 240 but I'm carrying more fat than when I was 255. I've retained A LOT of the size I acquired. I've been off for a year now and some people still think I'm on. I'm lucky that I've been able to keep what I have. Once I get back into this full time I can't wait to see my progress

[MajorPectorial]

Not sure to be honest...... About 6 months ago I was 240 but I'm carrying more fat than when I was 255. I've retained A LOT of the size I acquired. I've been off for a year now and some people still think I'm on. I'm lucky that I've been able to keep what I have. Once I get back into this full time I can't wait to see my progress

What heights that at haz?

[Hazard]

What heights that at haz?

6'1

~Haz~

[marcus300]

Some very important points I want to get across below

Kel and others chime in and give your opinions pls

Sorry I'm turning this into the Marcus interview thread it's just good to get some vets perspectives on all aspects

You can turn this thread into any direction you want, myself, Kel and anyone else who wants to give their experience or knowledge can all chime in to help you guys in any areas you need.

We seemed to have covered a lot of ground there, here's a few questions:

Marcus can you put into words the difference in side effects from 3g to 5g per week?

Nice motor, did you go for petrol or diesel and what engine size?

So for Marcus and Hazard weighing over say 255lb is a REAL struggle?

I can’t express enough that no one should be using 5g per week or even thinking of trying it, I was open and honest with what ive done but it doesn’t mean anyone else should try it. It wont turn you into a pro trust me on this one more is better up to a point but 3g/5g per week is crazy and if you want my honest opinion no one should be even considering these amounts at the level you are. I would only go on these types of dosages for short periods of time all done within a short heavy burst cycle, but the sides at 5g were a lot more, what ever sides you get on 1000mgs per week times it by 5 plus some more.

It is a struggle to maintain the size ive built over the years when I started to have serious sides with low testosterone my size went down hill fast once I got stable on my trt protocol things started to improve but the sides and the way I felt in my head with low T really made me think about my future so for around 4 years I stopped cycling all together and just ran my TRT dose. My weight and muscle started to build up again and I got back up to 240lbs-245lbs just on trt.

The one thing I am certain of how I did this was my TRAINING and how hard and intense I trained. I have a lot of anger and rage inside me with stuff what happened in my past which I can channel into training and I can easily go into the pain zone and force new growth, training to failure is easy for me and going beyond failure isn't a great problem either, I can put myself in a mental state where I can attack anything what's put in front of me, controlling my mind set to put myself through torture is easy for me but it is one of the hardness things anyone can learn to do.

I maintained 240-245lbs just on hrt and that’s why I cant express enough the importance of training correctly, forget steroids because in all honesty most guys shouldn’t be using them anyway with the little muscle they carry. People should learn how to train correctly and eat right and this is where many let themselves down. I train to an inch of my life I go into the gym and train that hard and intense my body as no alternative but to grow to compensate the torture and overload I put it under, I don’t limit my food intake with these fancy calories restricting stupid diets or the latest diet fade like IF shite, I eat and I eat loads to fuel my workouts and support growth.

Sorry for the rant guys but please don’t think its all about steroids it isn’t, don’t think if you double your test dose you will double your gains, take a good look at yourself and give yourself a honest opinion –are you carrying decent amounts of muscle? if your not why the hell are you taking lumps of gear, build muscle tissue by hard intense training and feed the growth with enough food, once you have created a good foundation and some decent size take your body slowly through AAS. Use the amount what gives you gains, remember your body adapts to everything you do to it so once your gains stop don’t just think its time for more gear, its not. Its time to improve your training and increase the intensity or increase the over load. The way we build muscle tissue doesn’t change its just your body adapting to the assault you put it under, so think about what the next step is rather than thinking more gear is the answer, how about thinking more weight or more intense!!!

Master building muscle because if you don’t no amount of AAS will help you, all what will happen is the vicious circle of blowing up on gear and blowing back down after when you come off. Master building muscle tissue, learn how your body builds muscle, its not hard to understand how to do this but it takes a heart of a lion to train and put yourself through the process.

I was going to start another thread with this question, but here goes:A question that relates to me: I feel as though I train hardcore, HIT style, DOMS every muscle group every day and every week, but my problem is food conversion to muscle, i can put on weight no problem and keep the diet clean, and i can increase in strength when i do but the extra calories does seem to store as fat easier than it turns into muscle, bear in mind i'm about 210lb, adding a pound a week of muscle for example is impossible right or we'd all be like Ronnie, i know I increase in muscle when i cut the following summer, progress is slow. You, Kelkel and others are'nt even counting calories, so my problem is staying lean while increasing in weight.I have experimented with T4 and T3. I hope i'm not derailing your thread with this one.

Are you constantly over loading your body when you train or increasing the intensity? because that’s what you got to keep on doing. The heavier and more muscular you get the harder it is to keep making the gains like you use to. Many think they are training and eating correctly but all they doing is putting all their hope on AAS to accomplish their goals and only to be let down.
I can’t express it enough this is what this thread is all about if you read between the lines. You need to constantly put your body under stress and constantly overload your body so it has no alternative but to grow bigger, you also need to make sure there is adequate nutrition to supply the growth and support the new muscle building process. You know the amount of calories you need to maintain your lean body mass so if your wanting to gain and support new tissue eat around 300-500 cals more of clean foods, adjust accordingly and also if you feel your more prone to fat gain no matter how many cals over your TDEE then adjust your cardio to suit, there is nothing static about this process it’s a daily swap and change to how you are growing and gaining bf. Ive said it time and time again all the way through this thread I never restrict my cals that much, I adjust my cardio and manipulate my carbs to burn bf as fuel via carb cycling. To build and support a lot of muscle tissue you can’t play the calorie restriction shite what goes on otherwise your body will wipe precious muscle tissue away. That’s very important every lb of muscle tissue is precious don’t waste it away, feed the growth and adjust your cardio to suit how your body burns bf and build muscle tissue.
You want to be big? eat big, train heavy and maintain your muscle tissue at all costs.

[panntastic]

That's seriously informative mate thanks again for putting your advice down for us all.

[MR-FQ320]

Marcus, i can assure you I am not contemplating a 3-5 gram a week cycle, I just like to ask questions whether or not it relates to my situation, last xmas i was using 250 eod sus and 400 per week deca (so 1375 pw)and it was real sweet - an absolute magic cycle, weighing in at 226lbs at max, with the only negative side was being flushed, I gained a solid 10lbs of muscle after PCT and a cut, in fact I have been gaining 10lbs a year lbm since I arrived here in 2010, so I am making slow and steady progress. If I gain another 10lbs lean by this time next year I will be very happy.

I know what you mean about Steroids masking weight gain but that definately isnt me, I consider my AAS use to be conservative compared to some people I know, but luckily I came here for steroid advice first, I am listening (and practicing) what you say - Diet and Training. I am my own worst critic though, and nowhere near genetically gifted, I've had to work dam hard to where I've got today, and I'm not going to stop now.

With regards to overload, I dont keep a record or anything, I train to failure.

Great thread, keep it up, its gold advice this thread the money cant buy type of advice, Marcus you should write a book or franchise a training programme, I love all the other guys (esp Kelkel and Haz) chiming in as well, thanks.

[Rusty11]

Good god, marcus. Did you use a wide-angle panoramic lens for that back shot? Impressive!!! Massive!!! How do you find shirts?

[marcus300]

Marcus, i can assure you I am not contemplating a 3-5 gram a week cycle, I just like to ask questions whether or not it relates to my situation, last xmas i was using 250 eod sus and 400 per week deca (so 1375 pw)and it was real sweet - an absolute magic cycle, weighing in at 226lbs at max, with the only negative side was being flushed, I gained a solid 10lbs of muscle after PCT and a cut, in fact I have been gaining 10lbs a year lbm since I arrived here in 2010, so I am making slow and steady progress. If I gain another 10lbs lean by this time next year I will be very happy.

I know what you mean about Steroids masking weight gain but that definately isnt me, I consider my AAS use to be conservative compared to some people I know, but luckily I came here for steroid advice first, I am listening (and practicing) what you say - Diet and Training. I am my own worst critic though, and nowhere near genetically gifted, I've had to work dam hard to where I've got today, and I'm not going to stop now.

With regards to overload, I dont keep a record or anything, I train to failure.

Great thread, keep it up, its gold advice this thread the money cant buy type of advice, Marcus you should write a book or franchise a training programme, I love all the other guys (esp Kelkel and Haz) chiming in as well, thanks.

Just wanted to make sure people who were reading my response weren't going to try high dose when its not needed. Glad your enjoying the thread and your welcome to ask what ever you like.

Good god, marcus. Did you use a wide-angle panoramic lens for that back shot? Impressive!!! Massive!!! How do you find shirts?

It was a relaxed pose with shoulder forward to show my new tattoo, you should see my wings if I spread them lol thanks

[RaginCajun]

hey marcus, just wanted to say thanks for a comment you made to me about 7 weeks ago regarding my cycle.

I stopped eating like a mouse!

6 weeks into my cycle, weight up 12 pounds and BF maybe reduced slightly (1-2%).

stay tuned....................................

[marcus300]

hey marcus, just wanted to say thanks for a comment you made to me about 7 weeks ago regarding my cycle.

I stopped eating like a mouse!

6 weeks into my cycle, weight up 12 pounds and BF maybe reduced slightly (1-2%).

stay tuned....................................

That's great news, you have direction now

[kelkel]

Oh I totally understand that. How much do we continue to push as we age? Yes, continuing to "push ourselves" has maintained muscle mass far better than many our age but at what point do you draw the line and think long-term health. I struggle with it as well which is probably why I rarely cycle anymore. Quite honestly if I never cycled again and just rode TRT till the end I'd be just fine! My work ethic / lifestyle would not change one bit. I do get angry as I can't run GH like so many of my friends can do though. I'd just love to see what impact it could have on me. I also still have a young son (11) and that always weighs on my mind as well.

Decisions, decisions.....

Edit: Added a pic from leg day described above and one from the day before sitting in the doc's office with my son for his appt. Got bored waiting and thought this pic was kinda neat..........yes, that bored. Not the best quad shot (not flexed) as they look smaller than they are as my Bberry sucks ars.

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Not one to quote myself (feel like a dick doing it) but relative to what Marcus said in his post below I thought it was relevant. AAS is great and can push you to another level but what keeps you there is your nutrition and training philosophy. Way too many people here do far more AAS than they ever should, ever, IMHO. It's just not needed. What's the big mans mantra "grow into your dose." It's perfectly accurate. He'd still be very large with just his TRT dose because of the mindset he's developed when it comes to training and nutrition. If AAS made everyone into huge competitive bodybuilders then they'd be a dime a dozen, right!

So, get all aspects of this lifestyle in place and you'll turn heads even without AAS. I get accused of it all the time by people who just plain lack discipline in their lives and would rather put others down instead of face up to their own faults and insecurities. Add in the correct amount of AAS and you'll turn even more heads.

Very few people seem to...

Some very important points I want to get across below

Kel and others chime in and give your opinions pls




You can turn this thread into any direction you want, myself, Kel and anyone else who wants to give their experience or knowledge can all chime in to help you guys in any areas you need.




I can’t express enough that no one should be using 5g per week or even thinking of trying it, I was open and honest with what ive done but it doesn’t mean anyone else should try it. It wont turn you into a pro trust me on this one more is better up to a point but 3g/5g per week is crazy and if you want my honest opinion no one should be even considering these amounts at the level you are. I would only go on these types of dosages for short periods of time all done within a short heavy burst cycle, but the sides at 5g were a lot more, what ever sides you get on 1000mgs per week times it by 5 plus some more.

It is a struggle to maintain the size ive built over the years when I started to have serious sides with low testosterone my size went down hill fast once I got stable on my trt protocol things started to improve but the sides and the way I felt in my head with low T really made me think about my future so for around 4 years I stopped cycling all together and just ran my TRT dose. My weight and muscle started to build up again and I got back up to 240lbs-245lbs just on trt.

The one thing I am certain of how I did this was my TRAINING and how hard and intense I trained. I have a lot of anger and rage inside me with stuff what happened in my past which I can channel into training and I can easily go into the pain zone and force new growth, training to failure is easy for me and going beyond failure isn't a great problem either, I can put myself in a mental state where I can attack anything what's put in front of me, controlling my mind set to put myself through torture is easy for me but it is one of the hardness things anyone can learn to do.

I maintained 240-245lbs just on hrt and that’s why I cant express enough the importance of training correctly, forget steroids because in all honesty most guys shouldn’t be using them anyway with the little muscle they carry. People should learn how to train correctly and eat right and this is where many let themselves down. I train to an inch of my life I go into the gym and train that hard and intense my body as no alternative but to grow to compensate the torture and overload I put it under, I don’t limit my food intake with these fancy calories restricting stupid diets or the latest diet fade like IF shite, I eat and I eat loads to fuel my workouts and support growth.

Sorry for the rant guys but please don’t think its all about steroids it isn’t, don’t think if you double your test dose you will double your gains, take a good look at yourself and give yourself a honest opinion –are you carrying decent amounts of muscle? if your not why the hell are you taking lumps of gear, build muscle tissue by hard intense training and feed the growth with enough food, once you have created a good foundation and some decent size take your body slowly through AAS. Use the amount what gives you gains, remember your body adapts to everything you do to it so once your gains stop don’t just think its time for more gear, its not. Its time to improve your training and increase the intensity or increase the over load. The way we build muscle tissue doesn’t change its just your body adapting to the assault you put it under, so think about what the next step is rather than thinking more gear is the answer, how about thinking more weight or more intense!!!

Master building muscle because if you don’t no amount of AAS will help you, all what will happen is the vicious circle of blowing up on gear and blowing back down after when you come off. Master building muscle tissue, learn how your body builds muscle, its not hard to understand how to do this but it takes a heart of a lion to train and put yourself through the process.

Are you constantly over loading your body when you train or increasing the intensity? because that’s what you got to keep on doing. The heavier and more muscular you get the harder it is to keep making the gains like you use to. Many think they are training and eating correctly but all they doing is putting all their hope on AAS to accomplish their goals and only to be let down.
I can’t express it enough this is what this thread is all about if you read between the lines. You need to constantly put your body under stress and constantly overload your body so it has no alternative but to grow bigger, you also need to make sure there is adequate nutrition to supply the growth and support the new muscle building process. You know the amount of calories you need to maintain your lean body mass so if your wanting to gain and support new tissue eat around 300-500 cals more of clean foods, adjust accordingly and also if you feel your more prone to fat gain no matter how many cals over your TDEE then adjust your cardio to suit, there is nothing static about this process it’s a daily swap and change to how you are growing and gaining bf. Ive said it time and time again all the way through this thread I never restrict my cals that much, I adjust my cardio and manipulate my carbs to burn bf as fuel via carb cycling. To build and support a lot of muscle tissue you can’t play the calorie restriction shite what goes on otherwise your body will wipe precious muscle tissue away. That’s very important every lb of muscle tissue is precious don’t waste it away, feed the growth and adjust your cardio to suit how your body burns bf and build muscle tissue.
You want to be big? eat big, train heavy and maintain your muscle tissue at all costs.

I added a bit above to Marcus's "rant" as he called. Very well said and on point. I highlighted some crucial elements, IMHO. I'll close by saying this. I've been around this sport a long time and rubbed shoulders with some prominent people in the industry. My point is simply that the advice on this thread is critical to developing as a bodybuilder. You can have all the potential in the world but if you lack the mental discipline you will ultimately fail.

Great post Marcus.

[DCI]

That's seriously informative mate thanks again for putting your advice down for us all.

What he said that was a really pwerful post to read. Thanks marcus for sharing and being honest. This beyound failure and pain barrier is something i have been personally challenging myself on and its slowly improving generally by either an extra forced or neg rep but my god you can feel the blood surging around you when you push on its an intense rush which is hard to get to close in anything else you can do in life maybe driving flat out and catching a car before it tries to throw you off the rd comes close but proper intense hard training is unreal

[Hazard]

Great post Marcus......

I've thought I trained pretty damn hard..... I'd love to train with you before your back goes or u wear ur slippers out

[Java Man]

I wouldn't say a struggle..... It was a lot of fun lol. I do want to get back there and soon but it's not like it's easy as waking up getting in a few meals and working out. I was eating 3lbs of ground chicken and 6 cups of cooked rice daily. Plus a cup of oatmeal and 8 egg whites.

It starts to become a chore......

A very expensive chore at that.

[Java Man]

Marcus, i can assure you I am not contemplating a 3-5 gram a week cycle, I just like to ask questions whether or not it relates to my situation, last xmas i was using 250 eod sus and 400 per week deca (so 1375 pw)and it was real sweet - an absolute magic cycle, weighing in at 226lbs at max, with the only negative side was being flushed, I gained a solid 10lbs of muscle after PCT and a cut, in fact I have been gaining 10lbs a year lbm since I arrived here in 2010, so I am making slow and steady progress. If I gain another 10lbs lean by this time next year I will be very happy.

I know what you mean about Steroids masking weight gain but that definately isnt me, I consider my AAS use to be conservative compared to some people I know, but luckily I came here for steroid advice first, I am listening (and practicing) what you say - Diet and Training. I am my own worst critic though, and nowhere near genetically gifted, I've had to work dam hard to where I've got today, and I'm not going to stop now.

With regards to overload, I dont keep a record or anything, I train to failure.

Great thread, keep it up, its gold advice this thread the money cant buy type of advice, Marcus you should write a book or franchise a training programme, I love all the other guys (esp Kelkel and Haz) chiming in as well, thanks.

10lbs of lean mass per year is not slow and steady my friend... It's phenomenal. That's awesome. I hope it continues.

[marcus300]

Not one to quote myself (feel like a dick doing it) but relative to what Marcus said in his post below I thought it was relevant. AAS is great and can push you to another level but what keeps you there is your nutrition and training philosophy. Way too many people here do far more AAS than they ever should, ever, IMHO. It's just not needed. What's the big mans mantra "grow into your dose." It's perfectly accurate. He'd still be very large with just his TRT dose because of the mindset he's developed when it comes to training and nutrition. If AAS made everyone into huge competitive bodybuilders then they'd be a dime a dozen, right!

So, get all aspects of this lifestyle in place and you'll turn heads even without AAS. I get accused of it all the time by people who just plain lack discipline in their lives and would rather put others down instead of face up to their own faults and insecurities. Add in the correct amount of AAS and you'll turn a even more heads.

Very few people seem to




I added a bit above to Marcus's "rant" as he called. Very well said and on point. I highlighted some crucial elements, IMHO. I'll close by saying this. I've been around this sport a long time and rubbed shoulders with some prominent people in the industry. My point is simply that the advice on this thread is critical to developing as a bodybuilder. You can have all the potential in the world but if you lack the mental discipline you will ultimately fail.

Great post Marcus.

Thanks Kel for your comments as always we are from the same mould. I must say though you are a genetic freak and not many have the good fortune to have amazing genetic as you. I love your style and would be great to train together one day

What he said that was a really pwerful post to read. Thanks marcus for sharing and being honest. This beyound failure and pain barrier is something i have been personally challenging myself on and its slowly improving generally by either an extra forced or neg rep but my god you can feel the blood surging around you when you push on its an intense rush which is hard to get to close in anything else you can do in life maybe driving flat out and catching a car before it tries to throw you off the rd comes close but proper intense hard training is unreal

Glad you enjoyed it DCI, training in this style can bring on injuries if you don't recover properly or warm up right. These are the areas you also need to get right on the mark. Training at this level can be harsh you just have to listen to your body and work with it instead of against it.

Great post Marcus......

I've thought I trained pretty damn hard..... I'd love to train with you before your back goes or u wear ur slippers out

My back as already gone mate and I do have slippers lol.

I do train hard and many times to an inch of my life or that what it feels like, I just cant train any other way this way build thick dense muscle tissue for me and once you find your groove your on a winner...maybe we can train together one day